Winter Soldier (1972) User Reviews

One of the best films on Viet Nam (and modern war)

[dbborroughs · 9/10 · 15 October 2004]

This film appears to have been all but lost to the ages, which is a shame since its a very moving record of what a group of soldiers experienced during their time in Viet Nam.

The film consists of panel testimony before and to an audience of the horrible things that the soldiers saw and did while fighting for truth justice and the American Way. That is inter-cut with one on one interviews with the film makers. Its mostly just talking heads, but its rarely boring since what these men have to say is so interesting it ends up being more like talking to friends over coffee than being lectured.

What comes through is the sincerity of the speakers who pull no punches in telling you what its like to fight a war in a hostile land of no clear cut enemies. (And yes the film echoes frighteningly with events currently transpiring in Iraq where reports on the news and interviews with soldiers find the same phrases and reasonings being repeated)

This is a haunting film that effects you not so much in the viewing, but rather in the thinking. It is not an easy film to forget and it will play in your mind much more forcefully as you think about it afterward.

If the film has any real flaw is that at 95 minutes its about 20 minutes too long. Its not that the material is bad, rather that its too much to take in and like the vet who's seen too many killings you turn off to the sights before you.

SEE THIS MOVIE. Find it and see it. It is still as vital today as when it was made.

9 out of 10.

Strong anti-war statement

[Oliver_Lenhardt · 8/10 · 24 December 2002]

Probably the most self-critical Vietnam-related film to have been made in the U.S. (which might explain its scarcity), WINTER SOLDIER is a frequently moving and disturbing documentary about the inculcation of eager, pliable young American men, of a conscienceless barbarism. The fact that the panel of 'Nam vets, convened in front of spectators and a camera crew to convey their opposition to the war, is made up predominantly of articulate, sensitive-seeming men may point to why these particular people broke free of the bonds of pleasure-killing faceless innocent civilians ("gooks"), and came to realize the profound inhumanity of their and their peers' actions and, far worse, the actions of the U.S. military in creating them.

Unlike the callousness of the soldiers interviewed in documentaries like INTERVIEWS WITH MY LAI VETERANS and MILLS OF THE GODS, these speakers appear ashamed, penitent, and destined to spend the rest of their days with horrible memories of the torture and massacres they took part in, as well as anger at a government that made them pawns, not only in an imperialistic gambit disguised as a mercy mission, but also in a morality-play tug-of-war back home.

soldiers telling the raw truth

[Yukster_uk · 8/10 · 28 September 2006]

This film consisted almost entirely of talking heads, but held the attention of the audience from start to end at a screening organised by the Socialist Workers Party. It was introduced by a Vietnam veteran slating the UK Labour party for applauding Tony Blair "the 2nd most hated man in the world" on his farewell speech.

The film was mainly shot at a public hearing, organised by Veterans against the war (featuring John Kerry), where former soldiers talked about truly disgusting atrocities against men, women and children that they saw or themselves committed. They are described in a matter-of-fact fashion, because they were an everyday occurrence. They also talk about how they were trained, the dehumanising mindset they were trained in and the realisations they came to on returning to the US. Cut into this were interviews with audience members including a dissenting black veteran talking with members of VVAW about why he thinks there are not many Afro-Americans in their movement.

Too often when atrocities occur, it is the soldiers that are scapegoated, when it is governments that send them out brainwashed. This film gives them a chance to put their side of the story, causing conflicting emotions- should you feel disgusted with them as murderers or pity them as young conscripts deceived into fighting, brutally trained to act like animals. Though it is grim, it is also heartening that they had the courage to stand up against their government and attempt to stop the genocidal war. The sort of film GW Bush and Blair should have watched years ago.

Numbingly Shocking

[foursixtyeight · 10/10 · 13 August 2005]

The Nixon administration attempted to defuse the negative political fallout of the My Lai massacre by claiming that it was a unique event and the work of a rogue outfit. Veterans who knew differently assembled in a Detroit hotel conference room in 1971 to publicly confess to the torture and massacre of civilians, and to testify that this was SOP (standard operating procedure) in a war of attrition against the Vietnamese. "Winter Soldier" is a 95-minute document of the testimony.

The simplicity of the film-making gives the content a starkness which is entirely appropriate.

This film is finally being given national distribution through Millarium Zero, thirty-three years after it was made.

Parallels with our current involvement in Iraq are unmistakable and chilling.

The Horror

[Zen Bones · 17 September 2007]

This is virtually ninety-plus minutes of testimonials of 'war crimes' by Vietnam vets at a conference in 1971, and while all of the atrocities - there's no other word for them - were the kinds of things I'd seen before, the sheer numbers were what got to me. Not the numbers of tortured and dead; that number I don't suppose I'll ever digest. It's the numbers of decent Americans like you or me who through exaggerated training of 'manhood', became savages. One can better understand what it must have been like to come home to our normal world of shopping malls, fast food, and sitcoms, and try to stuff back the memories and repressed emotions that made one kill children for fun and hack off body parts for a reward of a six-pack. Actually, I still can't understand it. I don't suppose I'll ever know at one point one stops becoming human, but at least I did find some hope in seeing these hundreds of men who found their humanity again after the war. Don't think that this is a film that tries to make Americans look bad, for virtually every culture in the world has had its share of atrocities. The atrocities are the symptom; war is the disease. From that perspective, I wish the film had gone further in having someone articulate the ignorance that these guys had in even going into this war. They really only understood why they were sent to fight when they returned, and it's that ignorance that is the virus that our government - that all governments and extremists - like to spread. The most upsetting image I saw in this film was a snapshot of an American soldier smiling over the exposed body of one of his kill. The chill down the back of my neck hit me before my mind brought up what it reminded me of. The smile on that soldier's face was the exact same smile that one of the soldiers Abu Ghraib had as he stood over a pile of naked bodies and crooked his thumbs up in a sign of victorious glee. The horror is that it just never stops.

watch a banned documentary

[frncsbrennan · 10/10 · 11 September 2010]

People will believe what they want to believe. That's about it. I have no doubt that these men were telling the truth. They weren't trying to one up one another-who could brag about killing children. They were trying to show that atrocities were common in Vietnam, which they were. It's too bad more veterans don't talk about their experiences. The more people know about warfare, the less likely they will be to support it. And that was the aim of the Winter Soldier panel. And that is why it was banned. The American media was so scared of this documentary, they refused to show it. The truth needs to be concealed or ignored, so that the U.S. government can continue interfering militarily in the affairs of other countries. The US media has continued to conceal coverage of combat footage since the Vietnam War. Just recently Wikileaks exposed combat footage that would have outraged Americans from coast to coast, yet it was only mentioned on CNN and not shown, and not mentioned or shown on all the other network and cable news. So the truth is more than ever ignored. Let the censorship continue.

How do you tell someone to be the last man to die for a mistake ? : John F. Kerry April 23, 1971

[sol1218 · 10/10 · 1 December 2006]

Powerful thought-provoking and sometimes almost unwatchable documentary about the men who were sent to South-East Asia to fight what has became the worst diplomatic and military disaster in America's 230 year history the Vietnam War. Filmed in late January and early February 1971 in a Detroit Howard Johnson that includes among the 125 Vietnam veterans in attendance the now Massachusetts Senator John Kerry. The film has former as well as a number of active Vietnam Vets spilling their guts out on how they not only survived the hell in Vietnam but now how they'll never be the same again physically mentally and emotionally from the experience of participating in that war.

We get to see, in a number of photos and film clips, and hear story after story by former US combat veterans both soldiers and US Marines ,looking more like hippies then clean cut all-American boys, telling of the horrors that they not only went through but in many cases participated in. The horror stories were told had to do with a number of My Lai-like massacre's as well as countless random shootings knifing and fatal beatings of innocent Vietnam civilians caught in the crossfire. Were also told about defenseless and tied-up North Vietnamese soldiers and Viet Cong guerrilla prisoners of war most of them thrown off, alive and terrified, from US Army helicopter's in mid-flight over the Vietnamese jungle.

Most of the Vietnam Veterans in the documentary were in combat as early as six months before it was filmed and we see how they changed so suddenly this after they served their time and were no longer in danger of being sent back to Vietnam again. We hear the ex-GI's and US Marines emotionally and heart-fully speaking not only for themselves but for those young Americans who were to be sent overseas to continue the war that at the time was already some seven years old; if you count the notorious Gulf of Tonkin incident of August 1964 as the beginning of a full-scale US military involvement in that conflict.

The incidents relived by most of the US combat veterans in the film are so gut wrenching that some of the GI's and US Marines actually broke down in tears reciting them. It's was almost a miracle that they would, after what they went through, even want to talk about their experiences in that war-ravaged country. The combat vets tell their personal stories before an audience, many who were in tears themselves in hearing what they had to say, knowing that they'll be looked upon as monsters by the very people whom they were supposed to be fighting for and who's rights and liberties that they were supposed to be defending. Many of the men in the documentary ended up on drugs or became alcoholics and in some cases even killed themselves because of the trauma that they suffered. After seeing "Winter Soilders" It's a wonder that now in 2006 there are people, who were of age in serving in that war but didn't, who still feel that it was justified and that the US should not have withdrawal after the fall of Saigon in the spring of 1975. The war actually ended for the US in a signed armistice with the North Vietnamese government in January 1973.

Seeing this startling documentary now and having it shown to millions of Americans, on DVD Video tape and cable TV, is very timely. "Winter Soilders" will not only bring the war in Vietnam back home after over thirty years to the American public in the knowledge of just what a major disaster it was not only for the US which lost some 60,000 US servicemen dead and almost 300,000 wounded and missing but the Vietnamese who lost an estimated 3 to 4 million killed in the 11, 1964-1975, year conflict. The documentary will also help change the minds of those Americans, now well under 50%, who still feel that the equally unpopular and unwanted War in Iraq going on now is worth the blood and money that it demands of the American public in lives, already almost 3,000 killed, and money, 346 billion dollars as of Nov. 30, 2006.

In fact the war in Iraq is even more illegal then the Vietnam War was back then. Unlike in Vietnam the US invaded and occupied Iraq and was not asked by it's government, like it was by the South Vietnamese government back in the early 1960's, to send US troops to fight and die there to protect it's freedom and security. Another big difference between Vietnam and Iraq is that there was no armed insurgency in the latter, Iraq, like there was in the former, Vietnam. The growing Iraqi insurgency that has cost more then 90% of the US casualties in Iraq only materialized and grew after the invasion and occupation of that country by the US and it's so-called "Coalition of the Willing" in the spring and early summer of 2003.

"We killed everything that moved."

[rmax304823 · 9/10 · 16 April 2008]

An inexpert, black-and-white documentary consisting mostly of two dozen young vets from the Vietnam War at a panel presentation, describing the atrocities, martial and otherwise, that they witnessed, with an occasional break for a rant on race and an epilogue in which three of the guys describe their gradual realization of exactly what they'd done to "the gooks." The panel includes both enlisted men and officers, whites, African-Americans, a Japanese-American and an American Indian.

In all its artlessness, it's probably one of the most important documentaries of the last century and no one has seen it. Nobody really wants to hear some guy describe how a young Vietnamese girl was raped, then thrown together with a dozen other civilian villagers, and mowed down by American soldiers. And certainly no one wants to hear about the woman who was cut up and her body skinned. Or the two infants killed out of boredom by a helicopter crew.

Evidently, we still don't want to hear about it. John Kerry (unrecognizable) is on the panel and during the 2004 campaign footage of his testimony before congress was resurrected and shown repeatedly on TV as evidence of his having turned against his brother-in-arms and his country. Kerry was accused of passing on rumors. Here are some of the sources of those rumors -- the guys who did it.

So who are these guys? Are they really anti-American traitors? Are they here behind this table to get their fifteen minutes of fame? Are they planning to use this public appearance as a springboard for future political careers? If your hatred of them and their message is sufficiently intense you can probably spin it that way, but I can't. The guys are hardly theatrical in their presentations. They're clumsy and sometimes inarticulate. And they are the farthest thing imaginable from poster boys for a popular social movement. They're hairy and disheveled. Their raggedness is about equal to that of the Beatles on the Sergeant Pepper's album, or the later stages of Al Pacino's evolution in "Serpico." Some of them are visibly uncomfortable and anxious, others comfortable and frank. This not being a dramatic performance, nobody breaks into sobs, not even when prompted to by a female interviewer. (The subject explains why he wouldn't cry, although he felt like it: "I've still got that **** in my head.") Nobody even addresses the camera.

The question, of course, isn't whether they're good guys or not. They're just plain guys who found themselves in a subculture as brutal as anything dreamed up by our current enemies in the Middle East, a subculture in which an adversary's head could be cut off and stuck on the end of a stake and the act condoned by officers. In science, we ask whether or not a thing is "significant" by comparing its observed frequency to its expected frequency. Were there so many acts of horror in Vietnam that they amounted to more than one or two rotten apples in the barrel? But there's another way of looking at information. You don't ask about frequencies if a UFO lands on your front lawn. There it sits, in front of you. One instance is enough to convince you that something is up. There were 125 honorably discharged veterans testifying at this meeting and claiming that inhumanity was SOP in Vietnam. Something was up.

The real question is, Are they believable? You bet. It's unfortunate that so few people have seen this. If it had been required viewing for some of us we might not be repeating the same mistakes now.

Another Suppressed Film That Is A Heartbreaking "Must See"

[druid333-2 · 10/10 · 28 January 2010]

In 1971,a group of enlisted men,back from a tour of duty in Viet Nam, went to Washington & testified as to what horrors they carried out while on duty (and after which,they threw their conduct medals on the lawn of the White House,in protest of America's invasion of South East Asia). The hours of testimony was filmed in black & white,16mm in what looked like what was shot (potentially)for newsreel format (i.e.raw,primal,do it yourself),by unknown sources (on screen credits are unlisted,outside of the film's title). The film was intended for air on television,but was yanked & never even saw any kind of distribution (at that time,anyway). I'm guessing it was the same geniuses that got Francine Parker's 'F.T.A.' yanked that same year. Years later,with the war in Iraq at the centre of controversy (and the downfall of George W. Bush's popularity,among other things),the original 16mm footage of 'Winter Soldier' was found,re-printed on 35mm film stock (with additional 16mm colour footage,shot at various battlefields at the time,also blown up to 35mm),and given distribution as an independently released documentary. What we see/hear is the raw,unvarnished truth of the various soldiers (including to be,future Presidential hopeful,John Kerry of Massachusetts) pouring their hearts out at what they were forced to do,under military pressure,that would/should reduce anybody who considers themselves as human,to tears (I know I did). This is not an easy film to watch,but an important film for anybody who is an advocate for world peace,anti war activist,or human rights advocate. Not rated by the MPAA,but contains horrific testimony of human rights violations & strong language. Not for young children

Masterpiece

[DelBongo · 10/10 · 18 June 2009]

This stunning documentary, long unavailable, is totally and utterly essential.

Its a beautifully simple collage of the interviews that were conducted at the 'Winter Soldier' hearings in Michigan in April of 1971, where soldiers who'd recently returned from serving in Vietnam stepped forward to recount atrocities committed both by themselves, and their brothers in arms.

Many moments, such as when a young former interrogation officer awkwardly laughs to himself (as he lists the absurdly lengthy number of implements that he'd used to torture captured Vietnamese civilians) are stark reminders that the battles in Vietnam were fought largely by indoctrinated children.

Even without the completely uncommon insight and candor of these testimonies, this would still make for an indispensable historical document. Heroic and bold as these men were in coming forward, it is still very difficult to stomach the standing ovation that some of them receive after imparting their stories. It made me, perhaps for the first time, relieved that the 1960's hippy spirit had died out.

This is a film likely to leave you shaken and thoroughly furious, but it really should qualify as required viewing for just about everyone.

A definite 'Must See' for all.

[paulgeaf · 7/10 · 10 March 2007]

I thought I knew about Vietnam. I hadn't really studied it as such and, in England, it isn't taught very in depth, if at all in the state schools so I only thought I knew about it from various sources that I had absorbed it from during my life: Movies being the main source which, I used to think, rightly so in most cases, were just sensationalism and that a lot of the horrific things were just made worse for the movie. I had read the odd article too and I was aware of certain atrocities but even then it din't seem to sink in and really get into my brain just how bad that terrible war was. It wasn't like any other war.

In the words of one of the veterans on this film, it was like a game where the winner is the one who kills the most...be them civilians or Viet Cong.

Watching this made me close to tears.

To hear the guys that actually committed these horrendous acts against what were, in the main, innocent civilian villagers who knew nothing of what they had supposedly done to deserve it and were shot for fun or just because they happened to be there,..well, hearing the guys telling the stories makes this one of the most harrowing yet poignant movies you could ever watch.

I think it should be shown in schools as a matter of course.

Man turned into Animal by the system that convinced him he was doing it for his country; his people; his fathers and his freedom.

What a load of rubbish.

These guys suffered so much and when some of them even attempt to tell the horrors they just cannot face it. You can see the look on their eyes: It tells it all.

I recommend this to anyone who has come by here to see if it is worth watching or not. Not only worth watching but it is REQUIRED VIEWING! Please keep this and show it to your children when they are older so that they might see what happened in this dark period of our so called 'civilized' history of the 20th century.

I hope those veterans were somehow able to put their ghosts to rest but somehow I doubt that.

A lasting contribution in the effort to make people see what they don't want to see

[Polaris_DiB · 8/10 · 16 April 2008]

Winter Soldier is a documentary about veterans testifying about their experiences in the Vietnam War. It was made by Veterans for Peace as an attempt to reveal the devastating consequences of the war on the psyches of a generation of people who were coerced into violence either through their desire to support their country, or conscription. This is the famous piece that was alluded to and mentioned in many instances during Kerry's 2004 campaign for presidency, though few people have seen it and it is quite rare, being at some point officially banned in the US. It actually also has a young Kerry in it, though for viewers that's going to be one of the least interesting aspects about it.

Stark, stark black and white is the rule here: Winter Soldier focuses on the faces of the ex-soldiers as they tell their tales, and harsh contrast and grainy film stock creates an expressionistic tinge on the tales. What's really effective about this movie is that the soldiers' haunted faces tell tales that are incredibly colorful, visceral, and terrifying: Winter Soldier is an expert horror film that uses audience imagination better than Val Lewton ever could, as well as being a documentary, which of course makes it all the more horrible.

Disregarding taste, it's offensive that this movie isn't more readily available. Western culture (and really humanity as a whole) seems to have a major problem with understanding war as a negative and damaging and horrible thing that can damage lives with no true gain. Even the United States' most well-known anti-war messages come mediated through the exciting explosions and escapist entertainment forms of action movies, and ultimately the Heroes triumph over the conflict. I am not one who honestly believes that we can ever get over the desire for war, nor do I believe that we can always avoid it in regards to international conflict: that is one of the lingering tragedies of mass human miscommunication and inefficient politics. However, if we're going to have it, it's of dire and certain importance that the people who decide to go to war have a clear understanding of the havoc it causes, the damage it inflicts, and the legacy of horror it leaves behind. This havoc, damage, and legacy is not just some rote medical damage to limbs, but to cultures, emotions, memories, and psyches. Unfortunately, Bad Things are hard to handle, and this movie has basically been officially denounced for suggesting that we can massively mess things up. But still it subsists...

--PolarisDiB

Historic first public testimony on gratuitous violence perpetrated by US troops and mercenaries in Vietnam

[roland-104 · 7/10 · 26 December 2005]

This film is a documentary shot at a Howard Johnson motel in Detroit over 3 days, in February, 1971, when 125 Vietnam military veterans gathered to offer personal testimony about atrocities and gratuitous violence they had witnessed or participated in during military service in Vietnam, i.e., violent acts by U.S. servicemen and U.S.-paid civilian mercenaries during the Vietnam conflict. The gathering was called the "Winter Soldier Investigation" and was the first such public testimony ever to have occurred in connection with the Vietnam war.

As one critic noted at the time, the film is more a document than a documentary. Technically it is dull: for the most part a single stationary camera records one speaker after another, C-SPAN style. But the stories here are told with chilling detail and emotion, or, equally moving, lack of emotion, after the fashion of many former combatants who suffer from PTSD and avoid re-experiencing the overwhelming feelings that their trauma mobilized originally, through suppression or dissociation from awareness. Among many others, there is a brief scene depicting a young John Kerry at the meeting.

The film was later shown at a Congressional hearing in 1972. It has never received wide distribution in the ensuing decades. Yet there is obvious resonance of the stories told here with concerns today about state-sponsored torture (Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib) and gratuitous killing and wounding of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The directing group (the "collective") was made up of 18 young documentarists based in New York City, including Barbara Kopple. This was a co-production of the Winter Film Collective and Vietnam Veterans Against the War. My ratings: cinema values: 5/10 (C); significance of content: 8/10 (B+). (Seen on 11/15/05). If you'd like to read more of my reviews, send me a message for directions to my websites.

Standard Operating Procedure

[tieman64 · 2 February 2014]

"The more people we killed, the happier our officers were. It got to be like a game. Whoever got the most ears, go the most beers." - Sgt Scotty Camil

After Emile de Antonio's "In the Year of the Pig" and Peter Davis' "Hearts and Minds", "Winter Soldier" is perhaps the most important documentary of its era on the Vietnam war.

Buried for several decades, before resurfacing shortly after the US invasion of Iraq, the film is composed entirely of Vietnam veteran's testimonies, most of which were recorded during a series of 1971, Detroit hearings. These hearings were sponsored by The Vietnam Veterans Against the War, an activist group.

"Winter Soldier" contains newsreel clips and still photographs, but for the most part it's the testimonies of soldiers which lend the documentary its power. We watch as young men attest to their participation in massacres, rapes, grisly horrors, whilst others denounce various US policies. One American soldier speaks of a slaughter in which almost 300 died, including women and children. Killing civilians, other say, was standard operating procedure (SOP). Others state that most of the villages encountered were burnt and that all civilians killed were listed as enemy combatants. The executions and slayings of female prisoners are then detailed, as well as interrogation tactics which involved throwing prisoners out of flying helicopters.

"The U.S. has established the principle of culpability with the Nuremberg trials," veteran Donald Dzagulones would say, before detailing how chains of command – military commanders all the way up to the President himself - should be held accountable for injustices.

Of course there were no major prosecutions and very little "justice". When philosopher Jean Paul Sartre attempted to get government officials to publicly recognise or classify American involvement in Vietnam as a "genocide", he was likewise ignored. This remains standard operating procedure. From Wounded Knee to Yemen, Haiti to Honduras, the United States is in a constant state of war. It has invaded more than 130 countries, and engages in hundreds of covert military actions. Today, especially across Africa, it tends to use proxy militias. The nation's procedures change, but not her standards.

9/10 - Depressing.

Chilling

[jrrdube · 10/10 · 13 August 2011]

This has to be one of the most chilling war documentaries I have ever seen. The testimony of the vets is truly shocking, the actions described are similar, if not identical, to the actions of the SS during WWII, that is what is most shocking. I have heard of some of the war crimes committed in Vietnam, but never heard that these things went on daily, and was in fact encouraged. If the average Joe could go from being mild mannered to an emotionless murderer, it shows how easily it happened in Germany years before. It is easy to see why this movie was banned when it came out, if the general public knew about what was going on, civil unrest would have been insane. This movie should be shown in schools, it will show kids what happens when you blindly 'follow orders', and what can happen to normal people in a mob setting.

Sad, shocking, horrifying

[TheTwistedLiver · 8/10 · 6 July 2011]

So much has been said and divulged over the years about Vietnam and the atrocities committed, both in Hollywood films such as "Platoon" "Full Metal Jacket" and many others as well as by the random veteran or family member who may have served, but to see the actual soldiers that either witnessed or participated in the horror while the war was still raging is something else entirely, and too see how fresh it was, and how young these guys were at the time. This generational nightmare takes it to a more real and personal level. the men gathered to divulge what they had participated in or witnessed in Vietnam in April of 1971 in Detroit, showed extreme bravery by willing to testify. At that point in history, the returning soldiers were spat on, in almost a national denial, those who didn't go to Vietnam couldn't wrap their brains around the fact that it was rancid all the way up, no one was stopping the chaos and anarchy that was happening in "The Nam" so they blamed the returning soldiers. The men who fought were victims, the whole experience was horrendous from top to bottom. America the beautiful indeed.

Pity Patriotic Patsies...

[poe426 · 10/10 · 3 July 2014]

WINTER SOLDIER is a litany of American atrocities that continue to this very day. The ongoing genocide of the Natives of this land, and the Corporate coup that has supplanted government of, by and for The People, are just two current examples of how far down the tube we've gone. At one point in this documentary, a former grunt (presumably a Native, though I don't recall him being identified as such), puts it this way: "When we made treaties long ago, it was for as long as the grass should grow and as long as the rivers shall flow." With troop build-ups in Iraq once again, we're going down for the third time. Even the War Pigs who are so fond of quoting from what comedians like Bill Maher, Jon Stewart and Lewis Black call The Big Book of Jewish Fairy Tales (the bible) should see that they're in over our heads. (But, as long as they can rely on video gamers and other Patriotic Patsies, they feel they have an endless supply of cannon fodder available to them.) The brainwashing of volunteers was a given once the Media silenced all dissent against the invasion of Iraq in this company and so the lemmings willingly line up yet again to do the bidding of their Corporate Masters. How often can this company engage in Hit and Run politics...? Until the Sleepers awaken, it would seem. In Vietnam, "where rape was Standard Operating Procedure," soldiers were little more than organized serial killers: "I got my Murder Training in South Carolina," one soldier says: "Then I got my Genocide Training in Louisiana..." (For even more documentation, I refer you to Nick Turse's excellent book, KILL ANYTHING THAT MOVES.) As the grunts in Iraq will tell you (they told ME), it's just a case of "same s---, different day." One would think that the admonition of one of the Vietnam vets would be all the warning one would need when he said: "Don't let your government do this to you." Amen.

A precious piece of historical propaganda

[jbaldrighi · 10/10 · 3 December 2007]

This movie is so Cold War. it is a perfect piece of Communist agitprop. In the era of 3 major TV networks and with a young, easily influenced audience and a political wannabe (Kerry) playing write into the Communists hands... Without the benefit of the Internet and only one brief show on TV (The Dick Cavet Show) highlighting the fact that the charges were not factual, Western and U.S. public opinion was easily swayed. Today, only about half of Americans buy into the current and very similar anti-war/bad America lies spewed by America's sworn enemies. Better and more trustworthy info is available every day now on the Internet and talk radio, which one political party is trying desperately to shut down as the next election approaches. Just go check out www.winterwar.com to understand the depth and insidiousness of the deception perpetrated on Congress and the American people. Feel free to disbelieve it, to your own peril.

The realities of war

[van-83714 · 8/10 · 29 December 2021]

Politicians sold Vietnam as a war against the spread of the evils of communism. In reality, this film illustrates that on the ground it was a war against the people of Vietnam. It also is another example of how the aims of the American government and military so often run counter to the interests of the local populace. The cost, tens of thousands of American deaths and millions of SE Asian lives lost, which did very little to stop one party communism and only delayed the eventual economic boom in Vietnam.

This is American History

[view_and_review · 10/10 · 28 January 2022]

The documentary begins with a 1776 quote from Thomas Paine:

"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."

Then the documentary goes right into testimony from a Vietnam Vet about the horrible things he'd seen in Vietnam being done in America's name, or in the name of freedom, or whatever brand the U. S. military gave to the purpose of that war.

If you are ready to hear these men speak out then be prepared to flinch, wince, and perhaps even cry about what happened to the Vietnamese in Vietnam--mostly for being Vietnamese in Vietnam. It is a panel of Vietnam Vets Against the War (VVAW) who are boldly speaking about things they'd seen or even actively participated in. One soldier stated it best when he said, "At one time I was an animal and now I have to go back to being civil again." It's heart wrenching, it's sobering, and it's history. American history.