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7/10
Lethe
bobcobb30121 December 2017
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Seeing the return of James Frain's character proved to give Michael the hero's dynamic she had been missing. Maybe missing is the wrong word, but it felt forced at times her journey to the top, but now, and with the return of infamous Star Trek (and Seinfeld) term katra, we saw it.

This show is steadily improving which is good for someone who wasn't quite on board with it early on.
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7/10
Who can you trust?
ewaf5823 October 2017
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Well clearly not the Klingons - or at least some of them. This was a decent episode which delved into more of Michael's relationship with her father.

Lorca is an interesting captain with seemingly ambiguous motives. He's edgy and is single minded when it comes to staying in command of his ship. For example was he fully aware of the risks when he suggests the one person who is threatening his captaincy (Admiral Cornwell) take Sarek's place on a peace keeping mission to the Klingons?

I can see that there are again some very negative reviews from fans who are quite frankly seeing red - but this is a new take on Star Trek where the unfortunate disposable members of the crew are now wearing blue.
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6/10
Decent episode but uninspired at times
snoozejonc13 January 2021
This one was quite interesting from a character perspective with focus on Burnham, Sarek and Lorca.

The most compelling element of the plot was the development of Lorca. There wasn't a great deal confirmed but there were many hints that there are big secrets to be revealed, particularly during his interaction with another character.

Sarek and Burnham's relationship and katra connection was heavily in focus, with some psychological themes around parent-child relationships addressed. This for me was okay, but done in a fairly uninspired way with more heavy exposition. I don't have a problem with this revisionist approach to the Sarek/Spock family history but it needs to be for the sake of something special, which so far it isn't. The flashback sequence where Sarek fights the telepathic connection and to visualise it, they show a physical fight between the two characters that feels very forced. I might be wrong but I have a picture of the film crew in my head shooting the scene as nothing but a dialogue sequence before someone pipes up and says "you know what would be really cool, if they actually fight right here" and nobody had the courage to tell them it's actually a bit silly.

The Klingon scene near the end felt very Game Of Thrones and done in a way to maximise shock value. For me it didn't add enough to the story to justify losing the potential family audience, but I think that ship had sailed in the previous episodes.

On a positive note all the performances were great as always, along with the visuals and effects.
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9/10
Finally Something approaching "traditional" Star Trek?
GraXXoR29 October 2017
I will admit that as much as I am enjoying STD (What a crappy acronym...LOL) it didn't really pan with the ST vibe: Far too dark, too much politics, too brooding and selfish for Roddenberry to enjoy, I'm sure..

And while episodes up 'till now were fine, as a modern, "trendy" gritty and dark Sci Fi series go, this episode finally brought Gene's ideas of gallantry and selflessness to the table.

Here we see a crew acting far more like their counterparts on the other series than in episodes up until this one.

An all-round pleasing episode.
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10/10
"Space so Vast, Planets so Cold"
XweAponX1 November 2017
This episode's title reminds me of a character from "Dagger of the Mind", played by Susan Wasson: "Lethe" - a word that means either the name of a river in Hell, that drinking from can cause you to forget everything, or it simply means "oblivion" or "forgetfulness".

In that TOS episode, Dr Tristan Adams (Played by James Gregory of the appropriate film "The Mancurian Candidate") says this while the blank expression of the woman "Lethe" stares at us from the background:

(A Toast) - "To all mankind, may we never find space so vast, planets so cold, hearts and mind so empty that... that we cannot fill them with love and warmth."

And this exemplifies Sarek's current condition. He is in an empty place, a Lethe place. His ship was damaged by an attack from a "Vulcans Only" terrorist group, the same group that tried to kill Michael when she was a young girl, when Sarek used the Mind Meld to share his Katra with her and bring her back.

A mind meld that works both ways, now his Katra is calling for Michael.

This episode was very difficult for me to watch. From within Sarek and Michael's Meld, there is a rich history of things that happened, some of which we know about, regarding why Sarek, in TOS, had a strained relationship with his own son. We already knew that Sarek wanted Spock to serve in a more Vulcan way. In TOS, Spock did not attend the Vulcan Science Academy. But here, it is the Vulcan Expeditionary Force. Details are not important, the reasons why are.

So we see here that it was Sarek's intent that both Michael and Spock be involved with Vulcan endeavors. But the Vulcans gave him a choice, and the results of that choice directly relate to the original story of Spock and Sarek.

Masterfully done, and it was done from within a rescue mission for Sarek, while he is drifting away both literally and figuratively in the "Yridian Nebula" (Another reference to "Yuri", there were many references to "Kei and Yuri" in Next Generation, care of artist and designer Rick Sternbach).

Meanwhile, it's revealed here and Lorca has some real issues, he carries a Phaser while having sex with Admiral Cornwell (Jayne Brook, who I did not recognize from "Kindergarten Cop"). She wants to do something about it, but is sidetracked by having to resume Sarek's mission in his stead. And now, she is in a Lethe place. The question is, what's Lorca going to do about it?
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Actually pretty good!
TheDonaldofDoom18 January 2018
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It's no surprise that Star Trek Discovery's strongest moments are when it diverges from the looming Klingon war. Lethe delivers the best character beats we've seen so far, dipping into Michael's past. How Sarek withholds the information about Michael is totally believable. At first it looked like a contrived way to draw out the episode, but when we find out what the truth about Michael's past is revealed. Lorca also gets some great moments as the extent of his PTSD is revealed.

The actual rescue mission for Sarek ends anticlimatically, pretty much with him being saved with no real suspense there. The "surprise" ending is a classic example of characters making stupid decisions. Why be stupid enough to walk right into a trap? And now, a contrived way to set up a rescue mission in the next episode. Sigh...
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7/10
James Frain shines
Nominahorn12 February 2020
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While en route to a peace summit with a dissident Klingon faction, Sarek's ship is disabled and he is critically wounded by a Vulcan extremist. Now Burnham must use her special link to Sarek to try and reach him before it's too late, but in the process she will have to face her--and his--darkest regrets and failures.

This is the best so far of the series. With a tight plot and good character development, the A plot is an example of what the show can be with competent writing. Burnham is still not particularly likable, but she is improving. The B plot with the admiral and Lorca hooking up and then him letting her get captured by the Klingons was...unsettling to say the least. I definitely do not like the way his character is developing.

THE GOOD

-James Frain is spectacular as Sarek. With how emotional Spock is in the Abrams films, I fully expected the modern Trek actors to continue to forsake the stoic and reserved performance of the great actors who played Vulcans previously, namely Leonard Nimoy and Mark Lenard. But Frain does a great job of capturing the haughty and stony persona that Sarek presents on the exterior, while also hinting very subtly at the deep emotions that a Vulcan must be hiding under the surface in order to marry human women and adopt a human child to raise. Sarek is an immensely complex and nuanced character and Frain is probably the perfect actor to play him.

-The revelation that Sarek chose Spock over Burnham--only to have Spock reject him--was well done and emotionally powerful. It revealed a lot about why Sarek and Spock have such a strained relationship when we see them together for the first time in "Journey to Babel."

THE BAD

-I don't like the idea of "extremist Vulcans." I know the idea originated in ENT and thus is not entirely the fault of DSC, but I wish that mistaken storyline could be forgotten and not revived.

-The B plot with Lorca and the admiral

THE UGLY

-The Vulcans are incredibly racist and it drives me nuts. I want to argue that there is nothing logical about racism but that's not exactly true. If physical and mental abilities are what is used to define a person's worth, then the Vulcans are very justified in being so racist. They are mentally and physically superior to humans and thus from a purely rational perspective their racism makes sense, even if it is wrong and despicable. But when humans like Mary Sue Burnham are able to display equal levels of ability, racism stops having any logical basis and is indefensible from any perspective.

-The Klingons in this show continue to bear no resemblance to actual Klingons. Luring someone to a location on the pretense of peace talks and then betraying and capturing them is completely dishonorable behavior. Not that all Klingons act honorably all the time (see: the Duras family), but in this show none of the Klingons ever act like Klingons, at least so far.

-A holodeck a hundred years before TNG? Ugh. I feel like I should be doing a "violates continuity" count for this show. So far we have the Klingons with a cloaking device ten years before the Romulans (along with literally everything else about the Klingons), the Enterprise's insignia being used by everyone in Starfleet, and now a holodeck.

-Just to be clear, Lorca abandons the admiral to the kind graces of the Klingons in order to protect his command. If there isn't some sort of unholy reckoning for his actions in the future I will be sorely disappointed. Even if he was technically right not to go after her, his motivations for not doing so are vile and I hope he faces real consequences for that.
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9/10
I've got an idea..
felicianoro30 May 2019
The show is very good, IN MY OPINION. If you hate every episode so much, please do us all a favor and stop watching. It is completely mind-blowing the idiocy behind watching a show you detest and posting your insipid opinions about it.
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10/10
Best episode so far
dirk-hollweg-651-98774124 October 2017
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Background: I'm a Trekkie since the 80s when I watched TOS on a noisy b/w TV in Eastern Germany. ZDF (Western Germany) aired the how back then and in my location it was hard to get a good signal, but although I missed some parts of each episode, I got heavily addicted. :)

So, in my view this is the best episode of ST:D until now. I like how the show attempts to break with old habits and how it makes the so-called fans go crazy. I think we don't need another boring Enterprise. The darker tone ST:D is transporting is like a breath of fresh air to the whole franchise. (Except for the Klingons: I just don't like them.)

Spoiler: Cpt. Lorca - The Don Draper of the Galaxy! :)
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9/10
This is more like it!
locutus-1771723 October 2017
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This is the first "Discovery" ep that I feel I can respect! It's by no means the best Trek ever, but, at least - the storyline is more solid than the stuff we've seen before, and it manages to say some new and interesting things about Vulcans (and finding out something new is definitely a part of what genuine Trek is about).. I liked the scene with the living Vulcan "bomb" (staying calm and logical till the end).. I liked the physical and spiritual search inside the nebula.. We finally get a proper introduction to this younger version of Sarek,,,

A definite improvement.. Let's hope the trend continues!
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2/10
I think I figured it out
zach-tiefling23 October 2017
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This is less a review of this episode and more a review of the entire show so far.

The biggest problem 'Star Trek: Discovery' has is, that it feels like the overarching plot idea could've been really good, but the every episode is badly executed. It's like a story that spread by people telling it to each other, and everyone who told it added something of their own, exaggerated certain plot-points to add more action, which inevitably caused plot holes or characters acting unreasonable for the sake of 'more action'.

For instance, there is no reason why the Vulcan suicide bomber from the "Logic Extremists" (there's a oxymoron for you) couldn't just have tried to shoot Sarek in the back and then set the autopilot of the ship to "fly into the next sun". Instead he had to blow himself up in an "Iron Man 3"-fashion for some reason.

The true problem: But for me the real penny dropped when Michael was in the mind of Sarek. This entire story was never supposed to be Michael's, it is SPOCK's story. This is the reason why it is a pre- quel to the old series, this is the reason why Michael is "the only human that ever graduated from the Vulcan Science Academy".

Everything Michael is supposed to struggle with, her Vulcan upbringing and her human emotions would work so much better, if her character was replaced by a pre-Enterprise Spock, a younger Spock, who is heavily torn between his human and his Vulcan side.

I believe this story, has been rewritten over and over again, on the one hand to add needless action and conflict for the sake of adding conflict, and this story has been rewritten because they replaced Spock with Michael.

Despite this the writers are trying to keep the overall course of the original plot. And that is the reason why 'Star Trek: Discovery' feels like a couple of pieces and scenes that don't seem to fit properly together, with people reacting in irrational ways to advance it.
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10/10
Nice going STD!
knoopgat24 October 2017
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This episode really touched me. I just sit and enjoy the story and watched it again. Nice twists and turns and good acting. Al characters are spot on and play their part very well. The CGI helps, fine artists came up with a stunning design. There was also real emotion here. Particularly the moment when Michael was asked to join the crew gave me the shivers. (sorry for my bad and "corny" English, but that is what I felt and I am a sentimental person). By the way, I also like to read the great negative reviews. I read that I am a bot, nice. I read that the not so obeying attitude of the captain is unbelievable. Ha, it was for Captain Kirk standard practice! I am not a wannabe writer who in his head is rewriting the hole saga and not satisfied with the result we see here and now. I am just an older guy from the Netherlands (never say Holland) who has seen it all at the right time. I hope that there is going to be a next season. If not there will never be new Star Trek episodes, just more Zombie, Ghost, Horror and Disaster stuff. Second By The Way: The Orville is also very nice and enjoyable. Only the "jokes"; is the word corny OK again?
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8/10
One of the best to date.
Sleepin_Dragon2 November 2020
I thought this was very good, perhaps the best episode thus far, it was an emotionally charged, character driven story. There was something almost old school about this one, the narrative and direction seems to have changed somewhat to the first batch of episodes, the tone was somewhat darker, I also feel that the characters are more settled, Isaacs shining through once again for me.

It was so good to have a Vulcan driven story, for once it wasn't about battling the Klingons.

Very good, very slick production values.
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10/10
-A great episode ,but where is the rest of the alien races from the other series ?
marian_the_nightman23 October 2017
-Watching captain Lorca i started to think how much i like an officer like Riker who knows his crew well enough to put his life in their hands in a crisis situation,an officer who can be a good friend but also a good leader in the same time.The complexity of the characters reminds me about the ones from Deep Space Nine,but that series had a dark tone mixed with a dark humor which makes the show much pleasant to watch .Probably this series is one of the best i ever saw ,but ,because the Producers changed the Klingons this series is the worst Star Trek show i ever saw ,even Star Trek:Enterprise is better,because it's easy to re-create something than dealing with certain restrictions due to the parameters imposed by the story (the look and the behavior of the The Motion Picture's Klingons in this case).It's too bad the Producers are not aware about how disappointing it is for the fans too see that kind of changes,because many of us liked even since we were children to imitate the races from shows like Star Wars or Star Trek.For us changing the Klingons is like changing Chewie in to a horse .I still believe this series is a REMAKE of the original universe ,because the changes are becoming bigger.
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8/10
Cliched, So It's Much Like the Old Star Trek Episodes
Hitchcoc7 February 2020
I thought this was well done. We get to look into the past and get a fix on Burnham's transition to Starfleet. We also see the nutty Captain getting found out. The Klingons are not to be trusted and a trap is set. We also find out who the brother of Burnham is.
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8/10
Series continues to grow in leaps and bounds
jrarichards19 December 2018
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While I'm still reconciling myself to the idea that there is probably going to be just one overarching story to this first series of "Discovery", the fact that certain twists and turns might be injected into that is a truth by now making itself felt.

And what we can say that in this episode every single repeat character portrayed seems more interesting than at any time thus far. Perhaps the least distinctive remains the Doctor (Wilson Cruz), and this is somewhat sad given the GREAT value that EVERY OTHER ST Doctor has given us in the past. On the other hand, it remains to be seen how a Doctor character even CAN grow so much if the war theme is the one that prevails, leaving the medico's life revolving around the job of actually dealing with people hurt by war.

But on the bright side, James Frain's Sarek is much less one-dimensional now, not least because there is now a strong plotline attached to him. Lorca is certainly growing on me - even if his behaviour in "Lethe" again had plenty of moral ambiguity about it; and Burnham, Saru and Tilly continue to go from strength to strength.

Most of all, though, these characters are now team-playing far more, far better, and far more realistically than they were, while they are also given more real-looking things to do.

On the other hand, as instinct dictated in even the first instalment, the Klingons proved cruel and duplicitous in this episode just as in all the others, so non-nuanced hatred of a ruthless enemy continues to prevail here, inevitably reducing overall subtlety of actual and potential plots. Interesting that the makers, as it were "volunteered" to limit their possibilities in this way...
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5/10
A New Hope
jojoleb23 October 2017
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On the bright side, this episode has given me at least some hope that this series will finally take off. For me, at least, this was the best episode of ST Discovery so far.

***SPOILER ALERT: just giving you a heads up. I really don't know how to review this episode thoroughly without giving away some plot points. So if you haven't seen the episode, stop here and watch it first.

So why only 5 stars? Here's why:

THE GOOD: First and foremost, this is the first episode of ST Discovery that had a cogent plot and real pacing. The Search for Sarek was paramount and this was the first time that we had an overarching plot that wasn't broken up by a lot of unrelated nonsense. In fact, there was a kind of unity between Lorca and Burnham, confronting their demons and raking in their self control.

The insight into Lorca, comes out from a combination of his actions and from the dialogue, rather than just planting information about his past.

Burnham is a little better this time. She was actually almost likable this episode.

Ash Tyler is the first true Starfleet officer on board Discovery. He certainly will have imperfections, but at least he doesn't wear them on his sleeve like everyone else.

There was a slightly more hopeful tone. We're not quite there yet, but at least there is a glimmer of hope.

THE BAD: 1) It's hard to make the search for Sarek a real cliffhanger. Unless you thought that they were starting, say, the Celsius Timeline* (just add 273 to anything in the Kelvin Timeline), it was a foregone conclusion that Sarek would survive. 2) The character of Tilly is, well, a little too silly. We are getting dangerously near Wesley Crusher territory. 3) Still a lot of lack of discipline in Starfleet. No military organization would resemble this. 4) I'm not jiggy with Vulcan terrorism. (If Stamets can say groovy, I can say jiggy.) In the past, at least, Vulcans themselves did not commit violent acts. (The bombing of the Federation Embassy on Vulcan was perpetrated by V'Las, a Romulan undercover operative.) Suicide bombings are also a politically loaded topic, so it would be very disappointing if they just used this as a plot device. 5) The writers concentrate too heavily on character flaws. Characters that are too deeply flawed and imbalanced become too difficult to relate to or unlikable. 6) Except for Ash, the crew does not aspire to function as a group. 7) I have a really hard time understanding how Burnham didn't understand Sarek's decision or why he didn't tell her. Umm... did she really grow up on Vulcan? 8) Ditto for Sarek feeling guilty about his decision. Spock--being half-Vulcan-- WAS a more logical choice. It would have been better if Sarek felt guilty because he didn't understand what a profound effect this choice had on Burnham. 9) The writing needs more originality and needs to be smarter

THE UGLY: 1) It's still not Star Trek 2) Our focus has turned from the bad sci-fi concept of the organic/inorganic-hybrid-mycelial-blink drive to the equally bad concept of the Katra-that-knows-no-spatial-bounds garbage. 3) Good thing Engineer Stamets had that 'Make Your Own Analog to Digital Psychic Katra Locator Link Device for Dummies' book lying around, so he could cook one up in a jiffy. Considering he had no idea what a Katra was before this, it's not clear how he produced the prototype in screen seconds. 4) Not clear what the deal is with interstellar booty call. There was really no real reason why Admiral Cornwell needed to make a personal appearance on the Discovery, other than the writers needed her so she could be the substitute Sarek for the secret meeting with the Klingons. 5) Lorca has put his career on the line again and sent crew members on a mission of unparalleled peril. The tension is mounting as the danger increases... So it apparently makes perfect sense that instead of minding the store, he decides to get it on with the admiral. I guess it helped relieve some tension. Of course, the writers should have milked that sexual tension for at least a few seasons before pulling the trigger. It's a tried and true device that really works (Think Sam and Diane from Cheers, Ross and Rachel on Friends, Homer and Marge on the Simpsons**).

THE CONTROVERSY: I read some nonsense about Ash Tyler possibly being a Klingon plant (like Arne Darvin in TOS, The Trouble With Tribbles).

I doubt that this is true. First, the writers have so far been guileless. Second, Ash has an actual record at the Academy and verified back history. It would be unlikely for the Klingons to have somehow hacked the Starfleet database at this point in history (Unless Starfleet went with Cybersecurity by Equifax instead of Vulcan). Moreover, Ash must have been examined by the ship's doctor after his torture on the Klingon vessel; so ostensibly, he would have been identified as a Klingon. ("Heartbeat is all wrong. his body temperature is... Jim. This man is a Klingon!") It is possible that Ash could be an unwitting spy for the Klingons (some kind of implant relaying information) or a sleeper agent ala the Manchurian Candidate. But we have to hope that the writers don't mess up the one, solid, relatable character that they have.

*As TOS was a product of 1960s, US television, I'm assuming the original time line was measured in Fahrenheit. (Unlike Tom Lehrer, I am not quite old enough such that I have a deep desire to give my age in Celsius. That'd put me in early grade school.)

**Okay. The last one was a joke. I'm getting a little punchy...
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Anvils keep falling on my head...
d.rust24 October 2017
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Anvils keep falling on my head!

And just like the guy who hates sloppy writing said --

Bitching's not for me!

Wow! While the two misfits use a star-ship's corridors as a track, the writers throw the first anvil at us: yes, there are CONSTITUTION CLASS ships and the best one is the ENTERPRISE. We get it. They made a couple of shows and some movies about it.

Silly Tilly can't make up her mind on whether she should have a nutritious slab of slop with extra protein and replicator sludge (and be told by the machine to "Have a nice day, thank you for coming to Star Bukks!") but to get her raging hormones in gear, she gets wet for Looey Ash. who the rest of us suspect is a Klingon agent. Burn 'em goes into a meltdown while another anvil drops from Sarek's katra.

We gotta save Sarek! There won't be any episodes in TOS or TNG where Sarek expounds on Spock's life choices! An entire movie will be for naught!

More anvils get dropped as Spocko gets brought up again and again. Geez, that replicator food has quite the kick.

And speaking of the Vulcans, wasn't Spocko the only one who went through the academy, so who is this Vulcan Hologram giving El Orca the gears?

Looey Ash gets to take a shuttle out into a nebula so he can pilot around all those psychedelic blobs with Silly Tilly and Burn 'em. Of course, eventually he jumps out of the pilot's seat so he can look concerned. Who's avoiding all those nebuloid blobs? I'll bet the shuttle has anvil-powered shields.

Admiral Whats-her-name Cornhole makes an excuse to hop into the sack with El Orca -- he's psychologically damaged after all and probably not fit for command because he sleeps with his phaser pistol.

Finally we get to the Klingon scenes. Geez, time stops while they talk to each other. "Glap -- gorpp -- klak -- zhigg -- rruugg -- rraatt" with subtitles, "Hey, did you catch that stupid Vulcan?". "We got this human female, so we're good." I'm sure the scene lasts only about a minute but it feels like a month. PICK UP THE PACE!

Looey Ash, Silly & Burn 'em manage to somehow get Sarek back to the Enterprise-- uhh, the Discovery. Meanwhile, they've managed to realign the AE-35 unit and re-established communications with Star Command. The replicators are filled up with Anvils, and El Orca tells Surlyou (Misster Suru?) not to rescue nobody unless told by some mucky-muck on some distant planet. Heh heh. He psychopath-ed Admiral Cornhole real good.

NEXT WEEK: Stella rescues Harcourt Fenton Mudd

CRISWELL PREDICTS: Silly Tilly and Burn 'em will roll around in the interstellar hay.
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9/10
This is a good standalone show but ...
doug_bones-7582727 July 2018
Everybody seems to recomnend this series to DS-9 fans,but as a HUGE fan of DS-9, i recommend to my mates to stay away from this dreadfull Star Trek (..visual only ?!?..) remake,because the Klingons and their everything and the new Starfleet uniforms are absolutely WRONG.Probably the producers and the staff were drunk when they created all those things (lol).I want to ask them if they watched even one of the 4 TNG era series before starting the production of this show.
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9/10
Great Episode That Reaches into Older Star Trek Lore!
gab-1471225 April 2022
For those who qualm and complain about fan service, I do not think you'll enjoy "Lethe." As a casual fan of the series, I found there was plenty to enjoy even if the episode is somewhat relying on its fan service to tell the story. In the pilot, we learn that Michael Burnham is the adopted daughter of Sarek...who happens to be Spock's father. Yes, Spock is namedropped as we learn some details about why those two are not on the same page. Something to do with the Vulcan Expeditionary Force. The main focus of this episode is a rescue mission for Sarek, whose ship was attacked by a Vulcan terrorist group. It may be another episode that focuses on Michael's daddy issues, but an important one, nonetheless. Sarek is an important part of Michael's life as he is responsible for her upbringing. All the right emotional notes were hit. Jason Isaacs continues to show incredible acting prowess as Lorca, the captain who lives life on the edge. There are things here that make me question Lorca's mental aptitude...just as Admiral Cornwell is doing. Why is he making love with a pistol holstered to his body? There definitely needs to be some answers.

The Ambassador's ship is seriously damaged after an attack from a Vulcan "logic extremist," a fancy phrase for terrorist. His wounded katra reaches out to Michael who in turns convinces Lorca to make haste for a rescue mission. The other major storyline revolves around Lorca and how he does not go by the rules...even if he consistently delivers results. Everything that happens left the door open for the Klingons to capture Cornwell in a trap designed for Sarek. That was a really awesome way to end the episode.

Overall, there is much to like here. This is more of a traditional episode when compared to what came earlier. Old lore is at play here. Even if we do not meet Spock, his presence is heavily acknowledged. Call that fan service or whatever, but something has to connect to the older series to bring in new possible fans. I have seen some episodes here or there, but this season so far has done wonders of making me a fan of this world. I also really like Tilly. I seem to be the only one, but what can you do.

My Grade: A-
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2/10
I so *want* to like this but by god they're making it difficult...
nomen_meltdown23 October 2017
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I've pretty much settled on the conclusion that my only hope for enjoying this is to mentally divorce it from the Star Trek I've known and loved for so long. I mean I know the Federation's humans have never been perfect, and the vulcans have always been kind of smug/arrogant, and past captains have engaged in questionable fraternizations... but Discovery presents us with humans who are just a******s, and racist vulcan 'logic extremist' terrorists who use suicide bombers and try to assassinate children, and a captain hooking up with a shrink-turned-admiral and then scheming to leave an her in enemy hands to preserve his own position. Seriously!? It's downright *grotesque.* Then there's just the (continuing) annoying anachronisms- holo communications everywhere, and now holodecks decades too soon- and WTF is up with the chatty, editorializing ship's computer? No one wants canned commentary on their replicator selection.

They wear the delta but I have to dissociate this from Trek. I have to, to avert heartbreak. It's like answering a knock at the door and finding an sociopath wearing the hollowed-out skin of your first love-- you must immediately give up hope that you'll have that first love relationship and try to find whatever appeal, if there is any, in the sociopath. I've watched enough Trek (all of it) not to have a totally rose-tinted view of Roddenberry's universe, and I accept that audiences have changed in ~20 years (we enjoy morally ambiguous characters, anti-heroes, complexity, all of that) but this just concedes *too much* of the idealism and optimism for dull 'edginess' and pandering to 'grittiness.' It doesn't just fall short of utopia, it scorns it. And there's so much style over substance.

So I'll try to take it for something new- a dumb action show with some tech and alien concepts pilfered from a franchise I love- but I can't see this as Star Trek, because it's faithless to the Star Trek I know.
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1/10
What great cost to produce a sack of awfulness
bonewisher23 October 2017
Generations of viewers have lived in the realm of Star Trek to find their own passion in how to become a true Trekkie. We can wonder if any of the producers are a fraction of that concept considering the present episode and the series in total.

I've tried my hardest to accept the fresh reboot of Star Trek Discovery. Now after six episodes there are too much of everything but the spirit of Star Trek. This is something else. Focus is not about the adventure nor the characters and absolutely not about the storytelling. This is purely about greed and leach the cult of Star Trek to get an extra buck or two. This will fail and I personally hope the 2nd season won't arrive to save the next generation of Trekkies the pain.

This episode proves the fact. Stop this now and spend the rest of the budget on a comedy show or some food TV.
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1/10
ongoing joke
karrisima23 October 2017
even though i posted a harsh review a few weeks ago i still was expecting things to get better. sadly, it is not the case, show really goes further and further away from anything star trek we know. and the amount of bots being created to post how "fantastic" this show is even though most of us see the grim direction it has is disturbing to say the least. metacritic and rotten tomatoes really isn't what it used to be anymore, i mean the differences between critic reviews and user reviews is too big, and that makes me question a lot of things. the so called critics are either paid or don't have the guts to say the truth. you cant criticize a diverse show nowadays regardless of how bad it is because its diverse and doing so would make you look like a racist am i right? this is Star trek you gutless people, this show was always about diversity. and even though it was always a diverse show it had stories and likable characters that you could relate too. this show only thrives on diversity. nothing else. lethe is the last episode for me, enough is enough.
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1/10
The destruction of Star Trek
SamRawr23 October 2017
It's a failure on so many levels, and I am joining the full boycott of CBS if this wretched thing is renewed for a 2nd season. That essentially means that we'll all download each series, and then never give CBS a single viewing figure ever again, via any TV or streaming service.

In a franchise with highly intelligent fans who pour over technical and scientific details, debating morality plays and inspiring their own future to push themselves to the limit of their potential, STD has taken a dump all over them. The plot holes come thick and fast throughout. A second viewing of a Trek episode usually adds depth with layers of subtext, but with STD all that becomes apparent are wtf plots incoherently strung together as if a game of Chinese whispers.

As this so-called "Star Trek" continues on it's maiden voyage, it's clear the audience is becoming smaller and smaller every week. Some of the most prominent and impartial viewers with a large audience of their own on YouTube and social media have begun to fall one by one. It's very generic, and so is only attracting very generic viewers.

The more STD asks of people to suspend their disbelief that this is part of the Star Trek franchise, the less and less invested and interested they become. I wonder now just who this show is aimed at, as it's definitely not for Star Trek fans. It boggles the mind. If the entire franchise were handed over to Marvel, STD is what would have been produced.

I can imagine that this was probably one of the main dollar-earning reasons why it was commissioned by Les Moonves in the first place, wanting a cut of the high-budget streaming pie, unfortunately he didn't have enough/any knowledge of Star Trek to see that it wouldn't work. It's not as if fans didn't try to warn them during the huge lead up time to STD's release, and now the price is being paid. Bryan Fuller clearly DID realize this, and was then forced out of the job so Moonves could push ahead with his agenda anyway.

As many people have pointed out, Enterprise is no longer the worst of the pack, and when lined up with STD it's clear that we didn't know just how bad things could get. I struggle to get through an entire episode, but I must or my opinion of it would be invalid.

I've watched all Treks in full several time over with the exception of the original series, it is no wonder that yet another prequel to it has zero appeal to me. That being said, the TOS fans aren't enjoying their favourite being rewritten either.

CBS – Jack of all trades, master of none, destroyer of Gene's Star Trek.
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1/10
Nothing to hold your interest.
keith-umsted22 October 2017
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Once again we see the unlikable Burnham strutting around the ship telling everyone how wrong they are and how her way is the only way. We also get another dose of that long rage Vulcan mind meld, and the teleporting starship trick. In short, nothing Star Trek to be seen here. One of the greatest things about Star Trek was the the characters. You got into them. You understood them. You liked if not loved them. In STD you just can't like any of them, and those that you kinda like, are hardly ever on the screen.

This episode is so poorly written that I started writing my review before it was done. I just didn't care. The story was so lame, the characters so unbelievable and shallow that I found nothing holding my interest. Serek might die? Um, no, he's alive in STNG that takes place after this, so no. Duh! The acting has not improved. This time around it was like pouring salt in an open wound. The actors are spot on when it comes to reciting their lines, but conveying emotions, feelings, or anything else is totally lacking. Now maybe that is what the director wanted, but if that is the case then you may want to look at new directors.

Did the crew of this ship really graduate Star Fleet Academy? No. Obviously not, because no one follows orders and those who are disobeyed ignore their duty to enforce Star Fleet protocols. Yeah, this is not Star Trek. My problem with this is that any military would not tolerate this kind of behavior for a minute. Watch the movie Patton. He tried to be the big dog, and got spanked by his superiors over and over. Once again, it is just not believable.

I did get a laugh at the end. The trailer for next weeks is a rehash of one of the STNG episodes and I think Voyager might have done it too. Oh well, you cant expect these writers to come up with new ideas on their own. Last time they did, they gave us STDs.
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