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8/10
The Third Hand
Marathon_Runner1 January 2020
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I had to write this because they seems to be a lot of people here questioning about the third hand in the video. It was Luka's neighbor who owned the python snake.
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9/10
The less you know, the better
ginabilly21 December 2019
First I want to say, because I personally came here looking for the answer to this specific question: This IS a real documentary. For the first 10-15 min of this series, I was seriously thinking this was a mockumentary. It totally has that feel to it...at first. But I can tell you that after watching all three parts, it IS real. Without spoiling anything, I can confirm that they include actually archival news footage regarding elements of this case from CNN, various Canadian and European newscasts, as well as a brief interview with Justin Trudeau, who speaks directly about elements of the case. So yes, it's real.

But let me also say that the less you know about this story, the better. I somehow managed to live through the time period of the major events of this case (2010-2014) without ever hearing about this story. So what unfolds in this documentary is one of the most wild, insane, gruesome, and shocking series of events I've ever seen in a true crime doc.

I'm giving this doc 9 stars because the way the director chooses to tell and reveal the story is brilliant. Bits and pieces of info are given to you at precise moments that will lead you to believe you know what's happening, only for another piece of info to be revealed that will absolutely blow your mind and leave you questioning what you think you know. There is so much suspense and it never stops building. From the beginning to the end, I was absolutely gripped. It never failed to hold my attention.

This doc is not for the faint of heart. It is disturbing in unimaginable ways. But because of the way the story is told, I could not stop watching. It's hard to say I "loved" it because it is impossible to "love" a story like this. But I absolutely loved the craft of storytelling employed but the documentarians and the fact that you're kept guessing all the way to the end. One thing I think they could have improved was the way they delivered certain key pieces of information. There were moments when I wasn't sure of the facts that had been revealed, because they were presented in a confusing fashion. I had to rewind a few parts for clarity, to make sure I understood what was being revealed. Other than that, this doc far exceeded my expectations and I appreciated the philosophical question posed at the end.
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8/10
Very well executed! But?..
CinemaWidth18 December 2019
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The writers did a good job in pacing this limited series. And I will recommend this documentary to all who hesitate to watch. After watching this there is still one question that isn't answered in de series; who's hand was that in the final shot of the cat video? There are clearly three hands in the shot, and the camera is not on a tripod. Who is the other person? Go watch this! You won't be disappointed.
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9/10
Very Good... besides the very last minute...
marcels7528 December 2019
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I liked the suspense, the built-up, the pace...

Just one thing annoyed me a lot. The last minute when the main person looks into the camera telling me to think about my guilt. What? You have been doing this for 18 months and still is occupied with it and you try to ask me my guilt... I just saw a docu of what... 4 hours? and never heared of the story before... and you try to make me feel guilty. That was an anti-climax.

In a grown-up world everyone is, in the end, responsible for their own actions. Millions of people have issues and deal with them in different ways so the guilt does not lay with the audience.
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8/10
Got your answer to the 3rd HAND
mk170510 January 2020
First of all, a lot of people are asking about the third hand. I researched and found this from John Green: Who are the 2nd set of hands in the python video? Answer: A researcher for the CBC who worked on the Fifth Estate episode on Luka went to Montreal and talked to some of Lukas neighbors, and a female said it was her in the python video and she did not know a kitten was going to be killed.

You can find this yourself with a quick google search.

Aside from that, this documentary is thrilling, disturbing and very well told. 8 stars because I HATED to hear and see a bit from the cat videos. I dont need to hear or see even a little bit of it. A description would have been enough. And the last minute, where we are personally approached by the filmmakers to find out if we are not also partly responsible because we watched this documentary (and therefore giving Luka the attention he wanted). I understand what he was trying to say, but it was misplaced and meaningless in the context of the subject. It simply had no place in this film, and of course every person who publishes such videos gets attention. How else should we as a society react? Ignore it? Of course you can't develop a fascination for it. But it is important to talk about such cases. It's always the same: It's the very people who appear harmless, that can do things that are beyond imagination. Never judge a book by its cover.
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10/10
Beware Those That Desire Fame, Beware Social Media...
lewilewis199718 December 2019
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New on Netflix today, I figured I'll watch the first episode before getting ready for work. I'm now late and have binged all 3 ep's. It's cost me £15 in lost wages, and worth every minute! It's a well researched, skillfully written and edited documentary that is a very relevant critique of our modern culture. The soundtrack adds another layer and helps to build up the tension nicely.

No spoilers, don't worry. The doc' ends up questioning our values, the desire for fame and how far some people will go to get just a little slice of it. The focus starts with a small and very determined team of internet sleuths, and ends with twists a plenty.

One tiny spoiler (okay, I lied) I couldn't get over how delusional the mother still is about her 'little boy' despite all of the evidence presented to us.

I think this is a must watch series that asks us all about our own voyeuristic nature, and whether our obsession with celebrity culture can actually kick start and fuel some very depraved behavior. There's always been sadists and killers, but are they now more common because of easy access to the platform that is social media?

There's a great line from 'Baudi', one of the main hunters "Are you complicit? Maybe it's time to turn off the machine"? She's talking directly to us.

Luckily you don't get to see the animal torture. If you're tuning in in the hope that you will, get help.
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9/10
I thought it was about cats
iGlad18 December 2019
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The first 10 minutes I thought this was a spoof as I must admit that I knew nothing of this Magnotta guy but it developed into quite a story. It was gruesome but one hell of a story. The mother has me speechless as I have never seen a person in so much denial.
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7/10
Captivating documentary
Calicodreamin29 March 2020
Quite an interesting documentary following an internet group attempting to track down a cat killer who then turns to murder. The documentary was thorough and included interviews from relevant people of the internet group and the Canadian police. The information was detailed and the storyline flowed well as the investigations unraveled.
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8/10
The ending was ridiculous
bidderrandom21 December 2019
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When they ask "are you complicit" at the end I Got triggered.

Hell no im not complicit. I had no idea about any of this until you made a 3 hour documentary about it. And put it on Netflix.

So if Baudi Mooves was really that concerned with being complicit and promoting this psychopath maybe she shouldn't have agreed to the documentary.

What a stupid thing to say.

Other than that.....it was an interesting story.
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6/10
good, but stretches the content a bit too much
sbsiceland26 December 2019
Also, that end sentence from netflix was like if the ceo of exxon would blame me personally for climate change.
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10/10
Incredibly intense and horrific
mauri_rage18 December 2019
I can't believe this really happend.. sounds like a hollywood horror movie plot but i guess it's real.

Great built up and well edited.

You never see the full murder videos.. for people who are scared to see graphic stuff
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7/10
Please don't watch this
Ruskington20 December 2019
I have very mixed feelings about this documentary. On the one hand, it is incredibly gripping, unspeakably horrifying and uniquely fascinating. On the other hand, I don't feel like this vile piece of s**t deserves any airtime whatsoever. It always disgusts me to see media outlets lavish attention on subhuman scum like the creature (I refuse to name him) featured in this story. It is exactly what these monsters want and it encourages other deviants to tread similar paths.

I was also somewhat disturbed by the two main interviewees, who both seemed worryingly excitable about the whole situation. Surely you would want to be blurred out and remain anonymous when involving yourself in something as awful as this? It seems extreme narcissism and attention-seeking isn't limited to serial killers.

Despite my distaste at these aspects of the documentary, I cannot deny being absolutely captivated by this story and the way it was told. The events are so extreme and surreal that it is difficult to believe any of it actually happened. If this was a work of fiction, I'd be commenting that it was far-fetched and unrealistic.

Yet, even though this was one of the most enthralling things I have watched in recent years, I would not recommend it to anybody. Partly because it is so traumatic (I had to literally close my eyes and cover my ears numerous times, something I've never had to do before) and could genuinely traumatise many viewers. But mainly because it gives the protagonist exactly what he wants: notoriety. A very troubling documentary that raises many difficult questions about the internet, social media and vigilante justice.
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3/10
Do we share a certain responsibility with the internet "sleuths" in this documentary...? No we do not.
loganp-2963023 December 2019
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At the very end of the three part series one of the main interviewees asked if we, the viewers, are complicit in making this man into a serial killer. She seems to accept a certain responsibility by (perhaps) goading the killer with her internet activity in regard to him, the killer.

Her group becomes obsessed with hunting the killer and in a way provided the killer a fanclub. At the end she asks if we, the viewers of the documentary, are not complicit in his crime also. I say we are not.

She provided no startlingly profound commentary on the human condition. It is a known that society has a morbid curiosity with serial killers. What her and her friends did was provide this serial killer a direct fanclub.

The internet sleuths early on get a lead, from some mysterious source, which gives them the name of a suspect. This is important. What I do not understand is why the documentary never goes back to this. Who was behind this mystery Facebook message that revealed the name, Luca Magnotta? Was it Magnotta himself? Due to his apparent narcissism he is a likely candidate. If this is the case he likely could have, just as easily, tried to get in touch with the newspaper like past serial killers to play his cat and mouse game.

The Facebook group provided nothing more than a fan club for Magontta in his killing. If Magnotta is not the one which revealed the name, however, then it is someone who easily could have gone to the police, which is a step they likely should have taken regardless. Ultimately to the two main internet sleuths, I say: do not pawn your guilt off on us unsuspecting viewers; you provide no profound commentary on the human condition by saying we are complicit due to our morbid curiosity with serial killers; you provided a fanclub which the serial killer had direct contact with, which gave him exactly what he wanted.

The question for these types of events (e.g. mass shooters and serial killers) getting publicity and whether it is right is nothing new. You internet sleuths, however, are directly responsible for providing him attention.

One more important detail they left off was who filmed inside the workplace (casino) of the one internet sleuth? I don't see how Magnotta could have done it. Was it a fellow Facebook group member messing with her? Or was it her trying to make it more dramatic, trying to get attention, et cetera. They never go back to it. It seems out of place and random, and it never gets answered as to where this video comes from.

Ultimately, all the internet sleuths provide is an interesting narrative to give this documentary more depth. The other narratives from the police, attorneys, psychologist, mother are interesting as well. But these internet sleuths provided nothing of actual substance. They tried to make them seem interesting, and important with their "detective work" but the key info they received was from an anonymous source which literally gave them the name of the person.
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8/10
Would've been a 10 if not for a couple of issues
jakewood-0690610 January 2020
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This documentary is excellent. I knew nothing of the horrors committed before watching the show and for me that was the best way to watch. It was truly gripping and horrifying watching the crimes escalate over time and watching the police investigation unfold. I watched all 3 episodes in one sitting. At times I had to look away as some of the videos are very disturbing. Overall, I'd definitely recommend this documentary, especially if you don't know anything about the crimes in advance.

Unfortunately I had to dock 2 points off the score: 1) for not mentioning the other pair of hands in the cat video. Even if they never found out who it was, they could've said so and not left it unmentioned. 2) for the last minute or so where they accuse the viewer of being complicit. I thought this was a silly comment to make. First off, Baudi and John clearly didn't feel that guilty about egging-on the criminal or they wouldn't have agreed to the documentary. They seem to view themselves as heroes when, in reality, their investigation had almost no impact on the eventual police investigation and arrest. They seemed to fetishize "the chase" just as much as the criminal himself and actually drove an innocent man to suicide, so yeah - not really the heroes. Having said that, their inclusion in the documentary made sense and it probably would have been weird not to have them, it just annoyed me that they had the audacity to place guilt on the audience, when they literally drove a man to suicide and most people will have known nothing of the horrors that occured before watching the show.
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9/10
"Stop making stupid people famous!" but thanks for this one
JHLTimmer19 December 2019
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I was on the edge of my seat the whole show, shocked and fascinated by this new gripping true crime documentary. Not familiar with the story of Luka Magnotta, it blew me away from start to end. It's well edited, told over three episodes, without getting tedious.

The 2018 Netflix docu Evil Genius gave me a similar feeling of shock, fascination and bewilderment. The key recipes for a perfect true crime documentary. And Netflix does it once again with 'Don't f''k with cats', another astonishing character study and the untenable impact of the internet.

There are some sick people on this planet and they don't deserve any credit whatsoever. No one on earth with a healthy soul and a bit of love in his heart wants to watch animal cruelty. But seeing how in todays society, in the peak of the internet era, the desperation for fame can turn someone into a narcissistic psychopath, is truly fascinating and mindblowing.
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8/10
This really messed me up
fridadanils20 July 2021
It's really good, I binged the whole thing. But I wouldn't recommend it to anyone sensitive. Netflix issue a warning and they don't actually show any torture or killing, but watching the footage over and over, knowing what's going to happen to them is quite enough. Even seeing it once was too much for me, I'm not good right now.

I don't usually write reviews, this might be my only one. But I felt inclined to do so after seeing a lot of people critical about the ending. I don't actually think it's about the filmmakers judging you, for me it's about self reflection - is your behaviour online contributing to something bad? It is something to think about and I don't think a bit of self reflection is a bad thing.

Anyway...That's how I think about it. I'm going to go hug my cats now, because I need to.
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8/10
I've literally been thinking about it all day
madi-9808818 December 2019
This is a gripping documentary that I have described to my friends as a real life Saw documentary. It begins with a group of people on Facebook trying to track down someone who is posting videos on Youtube of them murdering kittens. There are multiple horrific videos and some of them are explained in detail so if you're queasy (like me) then brace yourself. You don't actually see any more than the beginning of the videos but you can hear it and it's enough that I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. I will probably have nightmares tonight.
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6/10
Psychopath
The_Boxing_Cat2 January 2020
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I'm trying to figure out who is more disturbed- him or his mother. She was delusional and I certainly can see why he turned out to be a narcissistic killer.

I SUBTRACTED 4 stars for the insult at the end of the film. That was deplorable. I will NEVER watch another film from this crackpot filmmaker. Insulting the very people who he depends on- another self centered idiot who doesn't take responsibility for his movie -just like the nutcase and his mother didn't take responsibility for their actions.

Note to the filmmakers: DON'T FVCK WITH YOUR AUDIENCE
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9/10
Just...wow...
denalaszio19 December 2019
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This documentary was absolutely gripping. The documentary did not drag and at no moment did I un-engage.

I was NOT fascinated by the killer and his actions- he is your typical sad case of psycho. That being said:

I WAS fascinated by both Deanna and John's story. Their tenacity and drive of these two people was incredible. I found myself wanting to shout at the screen when these two cracked the case but were still powerless. It's incredible. You become invested in these two. Although this story is internet based, it shows a very human side through them. Another incredible aspect is seeing how the surveying this group did, learning the behavior, interests and habits comes full circle and allows them to utilize all their collected information. This group was able to pick up the trail. I really just found their determination surreal. I think the documenters did an excellent job weaving John and Deanna's story and using that as the root of their storytelling.

I think this was an excellent documentary about those who tried to help; all the way down to Jun Lin's best friend searching for him. It shows what they did, what they endured and how they were effected.

It's a truly devastating story.

Side note- to touch on the title, I think some misinterpreted this title as lack of interest in Jun Lin. I'm not sure if perhaps these people didn't watch the documentary in it's entirety? That cats are basically the heartbreaking gate way. The cats are a gate way for this killer, as well as the gate way of building a small community of people seeking justice. They were trying to catch a killer before he graduated to humans. This documentary makes it clear that all the innocent lives lost, both human and animal, were absolutely tragic
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6/10
That last minute ruined it for me
UnsustaiNiNable25 December 2019
I've seen a few crime documentaries, they're fairly interesting to watch. I liked this one too, up until the very last minute, where they're basically JUDGING us, the viewers, for watching THEIR DOCUMENTARY. If you think it's a dangerous story to tell, don't tell it. But don't go and judge me for the kind of movies and documentaries I watch, and even imply I indirectly contributed to this whole story. That's just dumb, at this point you're just biting the hand that feeds.

Besides, they don't even explain crucial details, the biggest one being that third hand in the video. Who was it? Why isn't it a big deal? Cause it seems like a pretty big deal to me.

It's an overall 8/10 documentary, but for these reasons I'm going to rate it a 6/10 because it's just disrespectful towards the viewers. And that last episode deserves a 1/10 just for that last, dumb minute.
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10/10
unforgettable
A_Different_Drummer23 December 2019
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There is huge irony in the fact that, notwithstanding the completely inappropriate title, this 3 part doc has almost nothing to do with cats -- and everything to do with how a bunch of internet geeks who had never met tracked down a truly diabolical Canadian serial killer. Even those who did not ""like"" the movie agree it is one of the most compelling stories ever put to film -- once you start, you will binge the 3 parts in one sitting. It is also obvious -- painfully obvious -- that the police in multiple jurisdictions were always on the back foot throughout the chase. It was the internet geeks who did the heavy lifting -- they even predicted the murder before it happened, and were ignored. And it was the manager of an internet cafe in Berlin, a self-proclaimed news junkie, who recognized the suspect on sight, in a heartbeat, and called the police, even while the international police still thought he was in France. Astonishing and unforgettable.
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6/10
Interesting series, but...
nickvogel-0369031 December 2019
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Well-organized documentary, it's worth the watch. Only 7 stars because of the lack of recognition of the third hand in the cat video. Yes, obviously you don't know who it is, but just don't ignore that there was 100% another person in the video at the end of the series. They could've questioned the internet nerds at the end of the film about the third hand to see if they really have the whole story, but they didn't. They also went onto the anonymous person disclosing Luka at first- didn't even question or go into any detail on who it could be. They obviously cant just make evidence appear for the film, but they definitely should have questioned it or went more in detail. The internet nerds were a joke, they drove someone to suicide and think they're the sheet finding out it was Luka when they didn't even find that out themselves. Their dEtEcTiVe work was a joke, going on ebay to find the exact rug lol. Who the heck goes on ebay to buy that rug? And the lady's audacity to call us viewers out in the end lol. 2 people would likely still be alive if you didn't make that group obsessing over him. You knew that was the attention he wanted and you kept giving it to him. Again, this series is worth a watch, but they should have explained certain parts better and the lady internet troll will make you cringe.
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5/10
Ruined in 10 seconds
faithless473429 December 2019
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Great film awesome story of how these "regular" people found this killer. The last 10 seconds are BS. I nor any of you people that watched this made this man do anything. His mental defect was the fault. His lack of ability to handle and properly function in society was at fault. So the arrogance and moral superiority of the writers and of Buadi for what they wrote/said in the last ten seconds ruined an otherwise well done show about a real person and real events. I would also like to point out that instead of being left with the feeling of this tragedy for the Lin family I am turned off by the show and it completely (almost) wiped that part of the show away. and that had only just been shown a minutes or so ahead of line that ruined the show.

I have no fear that my interest in this show did cause or will cause some other person to become a killer. Each person is solely responsible for his/her own actions. Under no circumstance did I or any one else cause Luka or Ted or Jeffery or any other killer to become a killer. We in no way put these thoughts in their heads nor made them in any way at all do these things. I am fine with my reflection and I do care.
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8/10
Poor Kittens
alessatziolis20 December 2019
I'm pretty good when a documentary is about murder of humans, not so much of animals, the whole Progression of his acts were so terrible. I can't believe the police completely ignored facts that they had received. Very interesting to see how private people found out so much about the cat murderer. This whole series left me so unnerved that I had to turn on an audiobook and call my dog into bed for cuddles to even be able to sleep.
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10/10
Probably one of my favorite documentaries
kristinesklarz18 December 2019
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Don't let the title about cats turn you away like it almost did for me. It's a documentary about a "Catch Me If You Can" copycat involving murder. I really don't want to say more because I went into it knowing nothing and it was quite the rollercoaster ride. I was glued from beginning to end. Deanna and John did a wonderful job of describing their experience. There were many times I asked myself if this documentary was fiction cause it was so unbelievable at times. A must watch! The ending will not disappoint. Again well done to the filmmakers!
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