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- Tomi Lahren: [after introducing her and showing a video clip of her talk show discussing Occupy Wall Street protesters, protestors from Black Lives Matter, and other people protestors protesting President Elect Donald Trump] that pretty much covers it, doesn't it?
- Himself - Host: quick question: why are you angry?
- Tomi Lahren: I'm actually not that angry, it's just that there's so many things that need to be said and a lot of people are afraid to say them
- Himself - Host: you're saying them in an angry way, you can't say you're not angry when this what your known for because it's a strange thing to say, it's like Ellen DeGeneres saying I don't like dancing but it's like yeah you do Ellen. You are angry about everything it seems
- Tomi Lahren: sometimes people just need to be called on their bullshit you know?
- Himself - Host: when you say bullshit, what in particular?
- Tomi Lahren: protesting a fair and free election, that to me you're going to get called out on your bullshit a little bit, it's time to "clear the street", it's time to accept reality, it's time to move on, it's time to make America great again.
- Himself - Host: you consider yourself a conservative?
- Tomi Lahren: I do
- Himself - Host: ok
- Tomi Lahren: I mean, I'm a Millennial but I don't like "labels," but yes, I'm a conservative in thought
- Himself - Host: [after pausing for a second] sorry my brain just stopped, you just gave yourself a "label," after saying you don't like "labels"
- Tomi Lahren: we exist on a spectrum, do you consider yourself a liberal?
- Himself - Host: that was just funny that's all
- Tomi Lahren: I'm a Millennial, it surprises you?
- Himself - Host: in terms of Black Lives Matter, you have quite the record for somebody who is not racist, you have to spend a lot of time saying, "I'm not racist." What is you biggest issue with Black Lives Matter?
- Tomi Lahren: I think and I've said this many times, it started with "good intentions," I think it was, it was "well intentioned", the moment they started pushing "hands up, don't shoot," which is a false narrative, proven time and time again to be a false narrative. The minute that became their slogan the minute, the minute protesting turned into rioting, into looting, burning and militant actions, that's when I lost respect for Black Lives Matter.
- Himself - Host: ok here's my thing: let's address each of these things one by one by one, when you say protesting turned into rioting that's not a Black Lives Matter phenomenon that's what happens during a protest a lot of the time, there are people who rioted and looted when teams won in Chicago years ago it doesn't mean now they are bad people. That's what happens, there are some bad people in some instance, going back to Black Lives Matter though for you to say that they have "good intentions," how are you "labeling" out the actions of a few and not condemning an entire group?
- Tomi Lahren: because they "subscribe" to the Black Lives Matter movement, they say "we are the Black Lives Matter movement," "fry them like bacon, "F the police," their saying these things
- Himself - Host: these are a few people? That's not the platform though
- Tomi Lahren: I saw it in my city of Dallas. I saw what a Black Lives Matter protest looks like and I saw five fallen officers because of it
- Himself - Host: that's not fair...
- Tomi Lahren: [interrupts him] no it is because the shooter said point blank his doing this for Black Lives Matter.
- Himself - Host: yes, and there are many things you can say but you cannot go out and say the man had mental issues as well and he was in a "tough place," just because you say the things doesn't mean it's what it stands for right? Because you're the same person who argued on your show that just because Donald Trump has supporters from the KKK, it doesn't mean his in the KKK, because his against it. You can't' say "he did it because of
- Tomi Lahren: the shooter said "I am..."
- Himself - Host: [interrupts her] yes but Black Lives Matter has never said "go out and shoot people." I'm saying you're saying to your audience and I honestly do not understand where your getting that from because what if somebody says, "I felt "embolden" by Tomi Lahren so I went out and shot people" are you responsible...
- Tomi Lahren: [interrupts him] but it's not one or two people, if you look at every city, look at the protests in Baltimore, in Ferguson, in New York City, the protests that have turned into anti-Trump protests, these are not a few people, these are mass crowds of people, their doing this in the name of Michael Brown, their doing this in the name of Freddie Gray, their doing it as the "front" of Black Lives Matter and the main stream media is "emboldening" these people.
- Himself - Host: ok let's use that same logic that your using then and then go "are the police racist?" Because police in many cities, you look at Baltimore or you look what happened in New York, look what happened in the case of Walter Scott, you tell me "are the police racist?" Because they've been shown to harass black people unfairly, they've been shown to shoot unarmed black people so "are the police racist?" Because that's the same logic your using
- Tomi Lahren: it's really not though because the main stream media is not "emboldening" as a group and did you know that a black man is 18 percent more likely to shoot a police officer than a police officer is to shoot a black man? Those are statistics no one wants to talk about
- Himself - Host: here's the thing: so, let me ask you this then if you say, as you said when you walked out "I'm not the person people think I am, what do you wish people would understand about you that are in another "bubble?" What do you wish people would understand about you that are on the other side?
- Tomi Lahren: I wish we could disagree with each other without thinking we are bad people or ill-intentioned folks. So, because I criticize a black person or I criticize a Black Lives Matter movement that doesn't mean I'm anti-black, it doesn't mean I don't like black people, it doesn't mean I'm a racist. I'm criticizing a movement. I criticize Colin Kaepernick that doesn't mean I don't believe in his First Amendment rights. It means that I believe in my First Amendment rights to criticize him so it doesn't make me a bad person, it doesn't make me a racist to point that out. I've never used racial slurs to address people. I've never looked down on people because of their skin color, to me true diversity is diversity of thought not diversity of color. I don't see color I'd vote for Hilary Clinton and she's as white as they come
- Himself - Host: you don't "see color?" So, what happens what do you do at a traffic light? I don't believe in that at all, for you to say that. There's nothing wrong in seeing color it's how you treat color is more important
- Tomi Lahren: your right, it is
- Himself - Host: here's my thing: all these points you make are great and I do believe that you believe them and I don't believe that anyone, there a few people that are trying to be bad but from their point of view and when I look at what you're saying, your saying you're not pushing a racist narrative, your "criticizing" and you're not "mal-intentioned" when you say things like Black Lives Matter is the "new KKK" because you realize Black Lives Matter can't be the "new KKK," the KKK is still around. They have no vacated their premises and most importantly and to say Black Lives Matter is the "new KKK," to really minimize what the KKK did and what they stand for that is not the same thing, surely you understand the incendiary feeling of your comments?
- Tomi Lahren: it's controversial but I think there are some things that need to be said when the Black Lives Matter movement is going out with signs saying, " fry them like bacon," "F the Police." When their going out saying "if you see a white person, target them." 'That is happening. That happened in Milwaukee not too long ago, that is happening so when that now becomes the narrative and your starting to loot, burn, and riot, what did the KKK do?
- Himself - Host: [eventually becoming confused] look we can go around in circles, did you say what did the KKK do?
- Tomi Lahren: no, what did they do? When your saying...
- Himself - Host: [surprised] wow
- Tomi Lahren: listen, when your saying there are people in the streets saying, "if you see a white person, beat their ass," does that not sound reminiscent of the KKK or their motives to you?
- Himself - Host: is that the narrative of Black Lives Matter or they're people who are saying within a crowd of people who are human beings? There is a distinction between a "movement" and "the people." That is something we keep coming back to but let's go back to what you were saying about Colin Kaepernick and the National Anthem, this is something I don't understand. When I watch your videos, I go "I truly do not understand, you say Colin Kaepernick is exercising his First Amendment Right and you are exercising your First Amendment in criticizing him."
- Tomi Lahren: uh huh
- Himself - Host: so, what your saying is: "you have the right to say anything you want, so shut up"
- Tomi Lahren: no, not all, I'm saying I don't agree with what he did
- Himself - Host: yes
- Tomi Lahren: I think he went about it the wrong way, I don't think he understands...
- Himself - Host: [interrupts her] what is the right way?
- Tomi Lahren: it's...
- Himself - Host: [interrupts her] when people always say that I'm fascinated...
- Tomi Lahren: [interrupts him] here's the deal...
- Himself - Host: [interrupts her] so here's a black man in America who says I don't know how to get a message across, if I march in the streets, people say I'm a thug, if I go out and protest, people say it's a riot, if I bend down on one knee then it's not the right way. What is the right way? That is something I've always wanted to know.
- Tomi Lahren: taking it out on our flag and our National Anthem to me, why would you take out your perceived oppression of black people on our National Anthem and on our flag? A country that you live in, a country you benefit from, a country that people of all races have died for have died to protect, have died for the vote, died to be enfranchised by this nation. How do you go and disrespect the flag and the anthem of that country why is that the outlet?
- Himself - Host: maybe you're a person who's read through history and you realize that a lot of those people of every color who died for this country that some of them didn't have the rights that their fellow servicemen had when they came back to the country after fighting for.
- Tomi Lahren: and that flag means a lot to those folks too...
- Himself - Host: [interrupts her] maybe your one of those who realizes that the penal system in this country was "designed" to oppress black people, it was "designed" to enslave people, it is a relic of slavery maybe your one of those people, so I don't understand a guy is kneeling in the corner. I don't understand that offends you so much. It's not like his trying to sing over you, he wasn't doing that, he wasn't singing "oh say can YOU see." His not doing anything that affects you. Why does that offend you so much?
- Tomi Lahren: for me, I know what that flag means to me, I know what that flags means to the people that are fighting for it right now, it's bigger than a "piece of cloth." It's a symbol of patriotism. Our National Anthem has meant to a lot of people who have been through hard times, it's got it's scars, it's got it's wounds, it's got its history but I still believe it's the greatest nation on the face of the earth and I believe if you live in this country, you're going to want to better it but to disrespect our flag and our anthem in that way and let that be your "outlet," to get out whatever aggression you have, whether it'd be passive or "active aggression." I disagree with it and he has every right to do it that's his First Amendment Right and I agree with his First Amendment Right to "do it." I don't agree with what he did but because I don't agree with what he did, so I should shut up? Because I'm white? So, I should shut up? I shouldn't be able to talk about black issues because I'm white?
- Himself - Host: no one brought up whites, I never said that, "I don't see color." I don't think that's what the argument is, I asked you question that is "how" should a black person bring up their grievances? That's all I'll ask, "how"? If that's not the right way, if marching isn't the right way, what is the right way?
- Tomi Lahren: what he said was he is protesting the anthem and the flag because of the oppression of black people
- Himself - Host: yes
- Tomi Lahren: I would like him to further explain what his talking about when his discussing the black oppression in this country
- Himself - Host: but he has
- Tomi Lahren: oh, so is it against police? Is it against the government? I'm not sure what oppression his discussing I would love to have him come on my show to discuss it with me. To me when you make the flag and you make the anthem your "outlet" for your anger or the ""outlet" through which you're going to protest your country you live in, you reside in, the country you take nineteen million dollars a year from I don't think that is the correct "outlet" for your anger so what is he protesting?
- Himself - Host: again, you haven't answered my question of "how" and honestly, I'm not saying in a challenging way. I'm saying to you I don't know the answer apart from these methods I'd like to know if you ever thought of a "how." I'm not labeling you as "thee bad person"
- Tomi Lahren: for me I think there are a lot of folks in this country, me being a woman I didn't have rights after black people until women got the right to vote because I feel I'm a woman and I feel marginalized I don't protest my country I don't see what his protesting
- Himself - Host: so, how do you protest then?
- Tomi Lahren: I don't protest because I'm not a victim
- Himself - Host: I guess we can go back and forth on a lot of these issues, it's an interesting place to be in because honestly, you've won, your "side" has won as you say the "liberal snowflakes" are "melting" in the streets as they protest. And now I would like to know from your "side" genuinely as someone who's "won," do you believe that Donald trump will follow through with his promises?
- Tomi Lahren: I will be a vocal opponent if he doesn't
- Tomi Lahren: [after introducing her and showing a video clip of her talk show discussing Occupy Wall Street protesters, protestors from Black Lives Matter, and protestors protesting Donald Trump's 2016 Presidential win] that pretty much covers it, doesn't it?
- Himself - Host: quick question: why are you angry?
- Tomi Lahren: I'm actually not that angry, it's just that there's so many things that need to be said and a lot of people are afraid to say them
- Himself - Host: you're saying them in an angry way, you can't say you're not angry when this is what your known for because it's a strange thing to say. It's like Ellen DeGeneres saying "I don't like dancing," but it's like yeah you do Ellen. You are angry about everything it seems
- Tomi Lahren: sometimes people just need to be called on their bullshit you know?
- Himself - Host: when you say "bullshit", what in particular?
- Tomi Lahren: protesting a fair and free election, that to me you're going to get called out on your bullshit a little bit, it's time to "clear the street", it's time to accept reality, it's time to move on, and it's time to make America great again.
- Himself - Host: do you consider yourself a conservative?
- Tomi Lahren: I do
- Himself - Host: ok
- Tomi Lahren: I mean, I'm a Millennial but I don't like "labels," but yes, I'm a conservative in thought
- Himself - Host: [after pausing for a second] sorry my brain just stopped, you just gave yourself a "label," after saying you don't like "labels"
- Tomi Lahren: we exist on a spectrum, do you consider yourself a liberal?
- Himself - Host: that was just funny that's all
- Tomi Lahren: I'm a Millennial, it surprises you?
- Himself - Host: In terms of Black Lives Matter, you have quite the record for somebody who is not racist, you have to spend a lot of time saying, "I'm not racist." What is you biggest issue with Black Lives Matter?
- Tomi Lahren: I think I've said this many times, it started with "good intentions," I think it was, it was "well intentioned. The moment they started pushing "hands up, don't shoot," which is a "false narrative", proven time and time again to be a false narrative. The minute that became their slogan, the minute, the minute protesting turned into rioting, into looting, burning and militant actions, that's when I lost respect for Black Lives Matter.
- Himself - Host: ok here's my thing: let's address each of these things one by one by one, when you say protesting turned into rioting that's not a Black Lives Matter phenomenon, that's what happens during a protest a lot of the time, there are people who rioted and looted when the Chicago Cubs won the World Series years ago it doesn't mean now they are bad people. That's what happens, there are some bad people in some instance but going back to Black Lives Matter though for you to say that they have "good intentions," how are you "labeling" out the actions of a few and not condemning an entire group?
- Tomi Lahren: because they "subscribe" to the Black Lives Matter movement, they say "we are the Black Lives Matter movement," "fry them like bacon", and "F the police," their saying these things
- Himself - Host: these are a few people? That's not the platform though
- Tomi Lahren: I saw it in my city of Dallas. I saw what a Black Lives Matter protest looks like and I saw five fallen officers because of it
- Himself - Host: that's not fair...
- Tomi Lahren: [interrupts him] no, it is because the shooter said point blank his doing this for Black Lives Matter.
- Himself - Host: yes, and there are many things you can say but you cannot go out and say the man had mental issues as well and he was in a "tough place." Just because you say the things, it doesn't mean it's what it stands for right? Because you're the same person who argued on your show that just because Donald Trump has supporters from the KKK, it doesn't mean his in the KKK, because his against it. You can't' say "he did it because of...
- Tomi Lahren: [interrupts him] the shooter said "I am..."
- Himself - Host: [interrupts her] yes but Black Lives Matter has never said "go out and shoot people." I'm saying you're saying to your audience and I honestly do not understand where your getting that from because what if somebody says, "I felt "emboldened" by Tomi Lahren so I went out and shot people" are you responsible...
- Tomi Lahren: [interrupts him] but it's not one or two people, if you look at every city, look at the protests in Baltimore, in Ferguson, and in New York City, the protests that have turned into anti-Trump protests, these are not a few people, these are mass crowds of people, their doing this in the name of Michael Brown, their doing this in the name of Freddie Gray, their doing it as the "front" of Black Lives Matter and the main stream media is "emboldening" these people.
- Himself - Host: ok, let's use that same logic that your using then and say "are the police racist?" Because police in many cities, you look at Baltimore or you look at what happened in New York, look what happened in the case of Walter Scott, you tell me "are the police racist?" Because they've been shown to harass black people unfairly, they've been shown to shoot unarmed black people so "are the police racist?" Because that's the same logic your using
- Tomi Lahren: it's really not though because the main stream media is not "emboldening" them as a group and did you know that a black man is 18 percent more likely to shoot a police officer than a police officer is to shoot a black man? Those are statistics no one wants to talk about
- Himself - Host: here's the thing: so, let me ask you this then if you say, as you said when you walked out "I'm not the person people think I am, what do you wish people would understand about you that are in another "bubble?" What do you wish people would understand about you that are on the "other side"?
- Tomi Lahren: I wish we could disagree with each other without thinking we are bad people or ill-intentioned folks. So, because when I criticize a black person or when I criticize a Black Lives Matter movement, that doesn't mean I'm anti-black, it doesn't mean that I don't like black people, and it doesn't mean I'm a racist. I'm criticizing a movement. I criticize Colin Kaepernick that doesn't mean I don't believe in his First Amendment rights. It means that I believe in my First Amendment rights to criticize him so it doesn't make me a bad person, it doesn't make me a racist to point that out. I've never used racial slurs to address people. I've never looked down on people because of their skin color, to me true diversity is diversity of thought not diversity of color. I don't see color. I'd vote for Hilary Clinton and she's as white as they come
- Himself - Host: you don't "see color?" So, what happens what do you do at a traffic light? I don't believe in that at all, for you to say that. There's nothing wrong in seeing color, it's how you treat color is more important
- Tomi Lahren: your right, it is
- Himself - Host: here's my thing: all these points you make are great and I do believe that you believe them and I don't believe that anyone, there are a few people that are trying to be bad but from their point of view and when I look at what you're saying, your saying you're not pushing a "racist narrative", your "criticizing" and you're not "mal-intentioned." When you say things like Black Lives Matter is the "new KKK" because you realize Black Lives Matter can't be the "new KKK," the KKK is still around. They have not vacated their premises and most importantly to say Black Lives Matter is the "new KKK," is to really minimize what the KKK did and what they stand for that is not the same thing, surely you understand the incendiary feeling of your comments?
- Tomi Lahren: it's controversial but I think there are some things that need to be said when the Black Lives Matter movement is going out with signs saying, " fry them like bacon," "F the Police." When their going out saying "if you see a white person, target them." 'That is happening. That happened in Milwaukee not too long ago, that is happening so when that now becomes the narrative and your starting to loot, burn, and riot, what did the KKK do?
- Himself - Host: [eventually becoming confused] look we can go around in circles, did you say what did the KKK do?
- Tomi Lahren: no, what did they do? When your saying...
- Himself - Host: [surprised] wow
- Tomi Lahren: listen, when your saying there are people in the streets saying, "if you see a white person, beat their ass," does that not sound reminiscent of the KKK or their motives to you?
- Himself - Host: is that the narrative of Black Lives Matter or they're people who are saying within a crowd of people who are human beings? There is a distinction between a "movement" and "the people." That is something we keep coming back to but let's go back to what you were saying about Colin Kaepernick and the National Anthem. This is something I don't understand. When I watch your videos, I go "I truly do not understand, you say Colin Kaepernick is exercising his First Amendment Right and you are exercising your First Amendment in criticizing him."
- Tomi Lahren: uh huh
- Himself - Host: so, what your saying is: "you have the right to say anything you want, so shut up"
- Tomi Lahren: no, not all, I'm saying I don't agree with what he did
- Himself - Host: yes
- Tomi Lahren: I think he went about it the wrong way, I don't think he understands...
- Himself - Host: [interrupts her] what is the right way?
- Tomi Lahren: it's...
- Himself - Host: [interrupts her] when people always say that I'm fascinated...
- Tomi Lahren: [interrupts him] here's the deal...
- Himself - Host: [interrupts her] so here's a black man in America who says I don't know how to get a message across, if I march in the streets, people say I'm a thug, if I go out and protest, people say it's a riot, and if I bend down on one knee then it's not the right way. What is the right way? That is something I've always wanted to know.
- Tomi Lahren: taking it out on our flag and our National Anthem to me, why would you take out your perceived oppression of black people on our National Anthem and on our flag? A country that you live in, a country you benefit from, a country that people of all races have died for have died to protect, have died for the vote, died to be enfranchised by this nation. How do you go and disrespect the flag and the anthem of that country? And why is that the outlet?
- Himself - Host: Maybe you're a person who's read through history and you realize that a lot of those people of every color who died for this country that some of them didn't have the rights that their fellow servicemen had when they came back to the country after fighting for.
- Tomi Lahren: and that flag means a lot to those folks too...
- Himself - Host: [interrupts her] maybe your one of those people who realizes that the penal system in this country was "designed" to oppress black people, it was "designed" to enslave people. It is a relic of slavery maybe your one of those people, so I don't understand when a guy is kneeling in the corner, I don't understand how that offends you so much. It's not like his trying to sing over you, he wasn't doing that, he wasn't singing "oh say can YOU see." His not doing anything that affects you. Why does that offend you so much?
- Tomi Lahren: for me, I know what that flag means to me, I know what that flags means to the people that are fighting for it right now, it's bigger than a "piece of cloth." It's a symbol of patriotism. Our National Anthem has meant to a lot of people who have been through hard times, it's got it's scars, it's got it's wounds, it's got its history but I still believe it's the greatest nation on the face of the earth and I believe if you live in this country, you're going to want to better it but to disrespect our flag and our anthem in that way and let that be your "outlet," to get out whatever "aggression" you have, whether it'd be passive or "active aggression." I disagree with it and he has every right to do it that's his First Amendment Right and I agree with his First Amendment Right to "do it." I don't agree with what he did but because I don't agree with what he did, so I should shut up? Because I'm white? So, I should shut up? I shouldn't be able to talk about black issues because I'm white?
- Himself - Host: no one brought up whites, I never said that, "I don't see color." I don't think that's what the argument is, I asked you question that is "how" should a black person bring up their grievances? That's all I'll ask, is "how"? If that's not the right way, if marching isn't the right way, what is the right way?
- Tomi Lahren: what he said was he is protesting the anthem and the flag because of the oppression of black people
- Himself - Host: yes
- Tomi Lahren: I would like him to further explain what his talking about when his discussing the black oppression in this country
- Himself - Host: but he has
- Tomi Lahren: oh, so is it against police? Is it against the government? I'm not sure what oppression his discussing. I would love to have him come on my show to discuss it with me. To me when you make the flag and you make the anthem your "outlet" for your anger or the ""outlet" through which you're going to protest your country you live in, you reside in, and the country you take nineteen million dollars a year from, I don't think that is the correct "outlet" for your anger, so what is he protesting?
- Himself - Host: again, you haven't answered my question of "how" and honestly, I'm not saying in a challenging way. I'm saying to you and I don't know the answer apart from these methods. I'd like to know if you ever thought of a "how." I'm not labeling you as "thee bad person"
- Tomi Lahren: for me, I think there are a lot of folks in this country, me being a woman, I didn't have rights after black people until women got the right to vote because I feel I'm a woman and I feel marginalized, I don't protest my country I don't see what his protesting
- Himself - Host: so, how do you protest then?
- Tomi Lahren: I don't protest because I'm not a victim
- Himself - Host: I guess we can go back and forth on a lot of these issues, it's an interesting place to be in because honestly, you've won, your "side" has won as you say the "liberal snowflakes" are melting" in the streets as they protest. And now I would like to know from your "side" genuinely as someone who's "won," do you believe that Donald trump will follow through with his promises?
- Tomi Lahren: I will be a vocal opponent if he doesn't