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7/10
Stop being offended on my behalf
tone_e200023 March 2017
Cultural appropriation: a phrase that is never too far from a press review of Iron Fist. It's also what I'm focusing on here, rather than the questions about this show's pacing and editing (for the record, I think it's great).

Should a white man be playing the Iron Fist? That's the big question on the lips of many a film critic. And the answer, in my humble opinion, is 'Sure, why not?' After all, the character was white in the first place.

Is that 'cultural appropriation'? I guess so. But what's it's not is a problem, and I say that as a person of East Asian descent. There is simply nothing wrong with white people doing kung-fu, just as there's nothing wrong with a white person rapping or, indeed, a Chinese person wearing a baseball cap, while eating a Big Mac and singing Sweet Home Alabama.

Yet critics are making out that Iron Fist is like some kind of throwback to Yellow Peril characters like Fu Manchu, but it's nothing of the sort. There's a simple reason why that was offensive and why Iron Fist isn't.

Iron Fist features a white man playing a white man, whereas Fu Manchu was a Chinese man played by a white man, complete with 'slitty eye' makeup.

In spite of this obvious truth, a lot of people suggest that an Asian person would have been better suited to the role. Why? Another chop-socky Chinaman is not what the Asian community needs in terms of media representation. We need more Asian people just being people. An example that springs to mind is Glenn in The Walking Dead. He's great because he's just a regular guy, who also happens to be Asian.

But the critics continue to pile on the criticism when it comes to Iron Fist. I wonder, though, how many of those same critics heaped praise on Kill Bill, which is far more guilty of borrowing from East Asian culture than Iron Fist.

Call Iron Fist what you like. Say it's badly written or boring. That's fine. I disagree, but each to their own. Just stop getting offended about something that's not offensive - and if you aren't Asian, perhaps stop and think about what Asians actually care about.
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5/10
Danny is always the dumbest person in every episode
Johnny_West12 November 2020
I watched every episode. After a while, I kept count to see if Danny Rand always made the dumbest choices and decisions in every episode. He did. He was by far the dumbest character in every single episode.

His competition for stupidity award was triad goons, hatchet thugs, street criminals, drug dealers, and all of his family and friends. It seemed like in every episode, there would be some core decision that was up to Danny, and he always made by far the dumbest choice that was possible.

Another annoying point was that Danny would trust every person, even the ones that were obviously against him. It got old that every single person he trusted always betrayed Danny, and he always acted shocked.

After a while, this and the never-ending bad decisions made it look like Danny was just a really stupid, dumb-as-a-rock person. Finn Jones, the actor that played Danny, could not pull off "honest surprise" at the terrible results of his stupid decisions. He just looked like he was incapable of any basic growth or maturity as a person.

Every episode is about 95% teenage soap opera, drama, whining, sadness, and maybe 5 minutes of action. This is like modern Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where it is all about relationships. Danny Rand should have been created as a girl for this TV series. He spends more time being a sensitive girl than his girlfriend does.

Eventually Danny is totally emasculated and he becomes Ward's substitute sister. It is pretty sad and pathetic. Danny's girlfriend becomes the man of the relationship, and she takes over the sacred power of Iron Fist. The Power of the Iron Fist, which was so sacred, gets passed around to three characters thanks to Danny Rand being a moron.
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7/10
Hmmm
yoyopa24 March 2017
Let me start out by saying: I'm an actor, so criticizing other actors is not my thing. Also, I understand that with a series like this, the choices that are made are made by several people not just the lead actor him/herself. I say all of this because I've seen some scathing comments directed at Finn Jones. I very much enjoyed the series, and I still standby the idea that everything Marvel/Netflix has done absolutely dwarfs the CW/DC series on television..makes DC look like a childs coloring book. Even Marvel/Netflix at their weakest episodes is still better.

The thing that leaves me slightly confused is simply: Why is every supporting character on Iron Fist so much more interesting, compelling and fleshed out THEN THE IRON FIST HIMSELF?!? I mean seriously it's bizarre, I've never seen anything like it. They could have made a show entirely based on Joy and Ward Meachum and it would've been more interesting then following Danny Rand. They could've made an entire show based around Colleen Wing..again..more interesting. Clare Temple. EVEN DAVOS who was only around for 3 eps! And so on and so forth.

Before everyone throws Finn Jones to the wolves lets remember SOMEONE made the call to cast him so if you don't like his look..welp! nothing he can do about that..someone way above him thought he was the guy, then someone else wrote his character a certain way...full of holes and honestly rather bratty and childish.

I get that Danny Rand, when we meet him, is in some way still the 10 year old kid from before the crash. Perhaps the thought process was that during that time in Kun Lin he didn't quite mature the same way Joy and Ward did...makes sense. But it's a fine line playing an imbecilic child and a grown man with deep vulnerabilities and fears. Danny's outbursts of anger were almost laughable..he looked like a child throwing a temper tantrum. Now compare that to the actor who played Davos. He had the same issue...these bursts of anger from residual issues. But when his burst forth, it wasn't funny, you knew something was deeply wrong here.

The point is, this is a solidly good show, but it's main character is the weakest and least fleshed out and thats excusing the pathetic and confusing excuse for a villain Harold Meachum. For everyone throwing darts at this series, I guarantee they like everything EXCEPT...The Iron Fist.
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7/10
On It's Way To Something Better
undeadfearz15 September 2018
So I'll be honest about Iron Fist - it's an extremely mixed bag. Season 1 is bad. Pretty damn bad, especially in contrast to the plethora of other so called "MCU" Netflix shows. I use the quote marks as nowadays there is barely any link between the Netflix shows and the movies, so I now rarely associate the two universes. Like a lot of the other Netflix Series, it struggles with the 13-episode season length, but also has some of the worst writing and show management I've ever seen. It's long, boring and sometimes frustrating to watch, with a lead character that's whiny and dull. The supporting characters are far more interesting, yet even their story arcs are convoluted and uninteresting (Ward's drug arc for example).

Season 2, however, is a vast improvement. The show acknowledges that Danny Rand, played by Finn Jones, is its weakest component. It therefore boosts a lot of the supporting characters in the story like the prior season, but this time their arcs feel more in place. The 10-episode season length is also a warm welcome, and the pacing of season 2 is far smoother, and doesn't always drag. The choreography is also slightly better, still not perfect, and the whole season feels a lot more rounded and polished.

It of course still has its problems, like clunky dialogue and the main character STILL not being sufficient enough to carry the show. The season 2 finale does suggest some solution to this, although it's unclear how this will pan out in season 3, if there is one. Without spoiling the finale, it has to be said how random the final 5 minutes occurs, and the so called "post-credits" scene should have been left out in favour of another ending that seems much more natural.

All-in-all, Iron Fist has the potential to have a solid 3rd season, and I am left with some intrigue for it. But, the absolutely dire first season is a horrible experience and if you want to be caught up for the second season, go watch some random recap video - it will spare you the pain.
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4/10
Bad writing
mii-983989 September 2018
I hoped the second season would fix the show, but instead, they added bad writing to make the show even worse than before. Generally speaking, if you are looking for an action Sci Fi with a good story, then Iron Fist is not the answer.
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8/10
I enjoyed it!
Rob133129 September 2022
As a huge fan of Marvel I'm a little biased because I pretty much like everything they put out. My bias aside, Iron Fist is a pretty good show. It's definitely the weakest of all the Marvel shows but that doesn't mean it's bad. The other ones are just that good. I still think this a good show that's definitely worth watching! It's too bad that Netflix couldn't renew their contracts with Marvel and they had to stop making the Netflix Marvel shows because every single one of them was great! Now that they're on Disney they can bring these wonderful characters back. They already started to with Daredevil and Kingpin and just renewed Daredevil for another season. Now they have to do the same for The Punisher, Luke Cage amd Jessica Jones. While Iron Fist definitely won't get renewed because it was the weakest, they cam still bring some of these Iron Fist characters over to some of their other MCU shows. If you're a Marvel fan then this is a must watch!
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7/10
A fun adaptation
jumpmuffin17 March 2017
Excellent productions values. Lead Actor is excellent. He is familiar and has been in many excellent projects but I don't have his name in my head yet

While I am not a big Martial Arts guy. The energy brought to the fight scenes along with a sense of humor make them work. These kind of scenes on a TV budget are hard to pull off but mostly they work.

If you want to binge watch something that will give you good feeling this is a nice choice.

Just want to comment on the review that appeared on the opening page.

It wasn't a review but a racist and misogynistic diatribe about people of colour and women taking white men's roles. Written by a coward who pretends to be from India but must be a delusional White guy who thinks White people are being discriminated against. I.m white and have it great, wish all could be so lucky. Sorry Carey MacLeod (Real Name)
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8/10
It's actually pretty good!
Supermanfan-1316 May 2022
Iron Fist is obviously not as good as the other Marvel Netflix shows (The Punisher, Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, The Defenders), but it's still a pretty good show that's absolutely worth watching! I have to admit that I liked Iron Fist a lot more than some judging by some of these reviews but that's because most of the negative reviews are by people comparing it either to the other shows or the comic books. I don't understand why people get upset become a show or movie isn't exactly like the comic book! Stop being such a nerd and just enjoy it for what it is! Iron Fist starts a little slow but stay with it because it picks up and turns into a pretty good show.
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6/10
Not the worst
halynp29 June 2022
Overall iron fist wasn't too bad. I think I was a little more forgiving of it flaws than I normally would have been if I had expected it a masterpiece but I had already heard people say the worst thing about it so my expectations were in check.
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4/10
Had a lot of potential .....Disappointed!!
john_hawi11 April 2017
To start with, I was not happy with the casting even before the show aired, still i hoped to be proved wrong once i watched it.... i wasn't.

Iron fist for those that are comic book fans , is supposed to be one of the most lethal martial artist on the planet, which serves as a good starting point to bring in an expert martial artist to fill the shoes. since that didn't happen the action scenes seem rehearsed and at times slow with no creative choreography. the lead character does not come off as a strong person rather a kid with parent issues that is so annoyingly naive. out of the similar series done by Netflix Iron fist ranks last on my list, with daredevil being first and Jessica Jones second. they really missed the mark on this one.
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6/10
Below Expectations
mayank0987621 March 2017
It is the weakest of the Netflix Super Hero series, the plot, the script, the fight choreography and the acting were very average. Each of the series before had some hallmark freshness to them, this time around felt Netflix went back a decade to old superhero series like Arrow, only more mediocre production budget. The pacing was terrible, there was not enough suspense or shock creation, some of the actors felt like noobs fresh out of collage but I think the biggest fault would goes with the direction. Still it is entertaining and I did binge watch it a day, just not to the standard I was expecting.
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7/10
If you like season 1 - you will like also season 2
rjd-9132812 September 2018
These 1 star ratings are just pathetic. Always. There is rarely a show which deserves a low rating like this. If these reviews are not paid by competitors these guys are just not smart enough to review.

You can dislike the show, like I dislike Luke Cage and Jessica Jones. But I see why other people like it. So dont be a dick ;)

To the show itself: Season 2 clearly improves when it comes to the fighting scenes, there is also more drive in it. I guess Danny Rand is a hate it or love it person. I like this buddist approach to the material world.
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7/10
Okay. Not racist.
c-9135717 March 2017
Ignore accusations of racism. They're misplaced and seem to lack an understanding of the source material.

Show is okay, but not ambitious like IF should be. It's got some seriously bad bits. Blame Scott Buck, Not identity politics.

It's not a great understanding of the character and the least of the Marvel Netflix shows but this isn't some great affront to television or culture like some suggest.
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8/10
Falls short
mmoneta18 March 2017
Iron Fist falls short of previous Netflix Marvel productions.

The writing was sometimes cringe-worthy and while some blame the actors, there's only so much that can be done with a poor script.

The direction was also lacking, with oddly constructed scenes and action. It felt like the actors had little feedback on their performances, which led to the repetitive silliness.

The fight choreography... well, I'm not entirely sure there was any. Unlike Daredevil (for example), where there was a genuine sense of reality in the fight scenes, in Iron Fist it felt like the scenes in Arrow. Unlimited energy, unrealistic combat, no real damage.

That said, it's not actually horrible, and makes for a good weekend binge-watch. Just imagine you're watching a 13-hour Saturday Kung-Fu movie marathon, and set your expectations appropriately.
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8/10
Pretty decent show, doesn't deserve all the hate
riefenstein00117 March 2017
I binge watched already the whole show since I'm sick at home. I was aware of all the bad critics, but I had nothing else to watch. I was pretty surprised, the show has an entertaining storytelling, good acting (I like Finn as the sometimes childlike but also wise Danny Rand), some humor, sometimes a little bit cheesy, good fight scenes (even though Daredevils hallway scene is unparalleled ). I would rate the show in line with Luke Cage and Jessica Jones, Daredevil is better, but Iron Fist doesn't deserve the hate. It has also three strong, interesting female characters: Rosario Dawson has a comeback as the Night Nurse, but in stronger appearance than in Daredevil or Luke Cage. Also Jessica Henwick as Coleen Wing is a great female lead and Madame Gao is a wonderful fleshed out female villain. Give it a try.
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7/10
rating makes no sense
fifa-947477 September 2018
How is the average episode about an 8.1 but the series is a 6.7?
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7/10
Kung Fu Craze
highmarksreviews11 September 2018
It's no secret that Marvel's Iron Fist is the weak-link among the Netflix shows. From an uninspired lead hero, to poorly directed action and drama, season one was a major letdown, but held promise at times. While the writing is better, the villains stronger and the action kick-ass, Iron Fist is still struggling with inconsistencies in season two, but took the necessary steps in the right direction to be compelling enough. Let's start with the obvious improvements. The second season is a short 10 episodes. This seemed to benefit the show greatly, as there was little filler content to go around and time to tell an engaging story. The plot, while a little flimsy at first, really kicked in half-way, allowing for an ending that could rank among one of the best in Marvel's TV universe. The action is lightyears better than season one, but exactly at Daredevil's level (yet). Stunt coordinator Clayton Barber deserves credit for his stylish, visceral fights and while only a few really stuck out as unique or brutal, the programme became a lot more watchable with good action. The villains, Davos (Sacha Dhawan) and "Typhoid" Mary Walker (Alice Eve) all proved capable foils, Davos being a charismatic, twisted version of Danny (Finn Jones) and Mary an unpredictable force. Speaking of Danny Rand. While definitely more refined, he lacks the fight moves or conviction of Daredevil, the brains of Jessica Jones and the brawn of Luke Cage. Finn Jones does what he can, but Danny Rand isn't much more than a capable kung-fu fighter at this point. On the other hand, Jessica Henwick's Coleen Wing shines as a superhero girlfriend, pursuing her own agenda and generally moving the plot forward in a positive way with Simone Missick's Misty Knight as the Daughter's of the Dragon. So while Iron Fist cannot really redeem its titular hero or ditch an early slog, it builds on its faults well enough to be an entertaining, action-packed season. I honestly thought it was good and cannot wait to see more.
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6/10
Missed the best parts of the comic
solahpmo29 March 2017
This TV show could have been so much better. It focused on Danny Rand's life in NYC, and showed practically nothing of K'un Lun, or his life prior to returning home. The actor played Danny Rand like a wide eyed farm-boy, innocent and full of the wonder of it all, at least until the 8th or 9th episode when some weird sort of PTSD came over him. I did not quite get that. But I gotta wonder, how good an Iron Fist show can you really have, if you show no more than ten minutes over 13 episodes of the Thunderer? Answer, not so much. This was a striking failure, especially when compared to the other "Defenders" shows that Netflix has put out. Maybe I am judging it too hard, because of the characters that Netflix has assembled, Iron Fist was always, far and away, my favorite. But this show just does not do his story justice. Shame.
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6/10
Room for improvement
sanjaydesai200119 March 2017
I am just going to the point. I feel that the director, producer and writer missed a great opportunity to use Iron Fist as a contrast to the anger, testosterone fueled rage that Daredevil, Punisher etc are filled to the brim with and should have used Iron Fist to show a super hero that was composed, able to be controlled and show a different path.

Given that he is from a mystical place that is imbued with Buddhist values (or should we say rather than Buddhist but the more universal ethos of self control; which would be exemplified by deep insight, the ability to mask his emotions etc).

Also I do feel that his fighting style should be a mix of martial arts with the emphasis being on reducing the energy he uses such as Akido, pressure point attacks etc.

The point is Iron Fist opens the door of a different perspective of how to proceed on a path of vengeance. One which is controlled, calm, and shows the depth of wisdom distilled in centuries of existence on Kun Lun.

Unfortunately the series is riddled with the paradox of a warrior monk who has no self control or awareness. They should have taken this opportunity to develop a character whose advantage lies in the fact the he is more monk than warrior.

An Iron Fist is not about one super punch but rather the ability of our hero to use timeless wisdom to navigate through any society and any age and any situation.

So that said , I sincerely hope that they develop a Danny Rand where the insight of hero trained in spiritual growth that leads to super human achievement IS different from an anger based reaction which we see all too often in this first season. No where in these episodes did I get a sense that there was more to being in Shaolin/Kun Lun than mere mechanical king fu. No wisdom, no depth, no introspection, no self control, no subtlety.

The rest of the series was OK. I feel the potential of this series to explore Asian cultures and capture Asian audiences is lost because there is an under current of smug contentment that capitalism is all while pretending to poo poo it in a banal and minor way.

They need to have Rand be the vessel who imparts another way of looking at things rat her than he being just another shade of the same archetype.
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1/10
Removes all art from martial arts!
elstonjeffrey10 September 2018
Trash writing destroyed this series. It's so bad it should be on the WB. Every character is a hypocrite in their morals and direction. Every other scene is simply a distraction from the fact half the writing staff has no clue where the story is going and the other half has never seen a martial arts movie before. According to the time line they tried setting up Danny would be over 45yrs old.Colleen is trained by the hand but can fist fight and win against both Danny and Davos, also seems to be better at all the attributes given to monks and these two characters from the first season. This show is a dumpster fire. Netflix pls never rehire this director or writing staff. Complete waste of time.
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10/10
Watch for yourself
slashisrock_gh317 March 2017
For those worried about whitewashing, give the show a try. Yes, they could have very well cast an Asian for the lead. But I feel that the producers were afraid of letting fans down for not sticking to the source material. Finn Jones is fine as Danny Rand. He's no where near the size of his comic book counterpart, but let's be real, Iron Fist is completely shredded in the comic books. It's kind of hard to get that ripped. People wanted this show to fail from the beginning, and that's why people are giving it such bad reviews. Plus, most of the critics know nothing of the source material. Even if they try to say that they do. All you have to do is google facts about the character. The show has pacing problems as do all TV shows. But if you are a fan of the comics, and have watched the other Marvel Netflix series, this show will feel familiar. It has the musical style of Luke Cage with the fighting style of Daredevil. You're going to find things you don't like about the show, of course. Just like any other show. But the critics are dead wrong in my opinion. It's a good show. It would have been cool to see an up and coming Asian actor in the role, but being a fan of the comics, I'm glad they stuck to the source material. I understand when Iron Fist was created they made him white in fear of him not selling as an Asian character. But it's not the same in the modern comics or this show for that matter. This show hasn't made him out to be some white savior, and I'm thankful for that. I do wish there were strong Asian superheroes, but I still like this particular character whether he's white or Asian. If you read any of this review, read this part. Watch the show for yourself. Judge it based on your feelings towards it. Don't let a critic tell you not to watch it. Form your own opinion, and please stay open minded.
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7/10
Not half bad
cmaguire-4782017 March 2017
After watching the first few episodes, I can recognize why some people might not like it. The show can feel like it's dragging. Honestly, my biggest gripe is people acting like the main character Danny (played positively in my opinion by Finn Jones) is insane for believing in magical elements while at the same time living in a city WHERE A F**KING MONSTER FLEW THROUGH THE SKY RAMMING INTO BUILDINGS. Basically, it's sometimes hard for Marvel to have their cake and eat pieces of it when it comes to this shared fictional universe that never seems to meet until it's fiscally important. Overall, though, most gripes people have about the show not being progressive enough are blown clean out of the water when you give it a watch. Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage were attempting to be progressive and inclusive, where this falls closer in line with Daredevil. Badass fight scenes interrupted by medium to high-quality performances. Honestly, if you believe the show won't be for you, no one's saying you should watch it, but if you enjoy some fun action and some easy-to-hate villains, this is NOT the worst places to get it.
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1/10
Only getting worse.
csachun86-788-3757211 September 2018
1st season was bad but still a little interesting. 2nd season just terrible. I tried watching it all but kept getting easily distracted cuz it was so bad.
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8/10
Great Show
feehan17 March 2017
I too am baffled by the terrible "professional reviews". I'm also a little irritated that they get to watch it early. I love most of these Netflix lesser known Marvel hero stories some are better than others. This one is very good. I like the characters and story. It's just enough action to make me believe it's a superhero story but not so much it's just one explosion after another. I appreciate the point of these shows which is to dive into the character, show a complete origin story just like in a comic book. The acting is good, the stunts are believable and the story is interesting.

I don't mind that a white guy is playing a white guy from a comic book about a white guy. I'm reviewing the TV show not the identity politics. Thank you Marvel and Netflix for deeper, adult story-telling.
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7/10
Ignore the haters
john-webb-970-87931817 March 2017
Firstly lets's address the elephant in the room a white guy playing a Chinese martial artist. Yes it's terrible and embarrassing and if they ever remake the 70's show Kung Fu it will no doubt not star a Caucasian actor like David Carradine and they will instead have an Asian American lead actor. Iron fist is not that show though even though it has clear parallels to it.

The trope of an alien abroad has always been around us as does the use of a surrogate so the reader or viewer can identify or recognise himself in a person. Iron Fist was written primarily for a Caucasian audience by Caucasian people and it was done so during the Kung Fu craze of the 70's In the same way as ERB's Tarzan and John Carter was during the explorer craze of the late 1800's to early 1900's.The character and plots use that difference and the conflict of cultures to make the stories and that is what happened with Iron Fist. Different culture, seeing the world through different eyes, being loved by some for it and hated by others and returning home etc. If Iron Fist had been changed to an Asian character then it becomes a wholly different entity.

Would and should a new character be created in that way in 2017? Probably not. The concept is now outdated and audiences and creators are now much more diverse and create to reflect these times and not those of forty plus years ago.

As to the show itself if you liked the other three Marvel shows then you will like this one. The acting is solid as is the script, camera work and direction. I am not that far into it yet but so far it is pretty faithful to the comic albeit with the usual changes for TV such as lack of a proper costume which is no bad thing when you consider the collar that the comic version has. The only thing that I found slightly off-putting so far is the Kung fu movie style exaggerated jumps. It does not for me at least fit the show.

A quick edit to say I am dropping my score down a bit after now watching most of the episodes. I am enjoying the show but it has too many plot holes and coincidences for me to leave it with such a high mark. The tone is lighter and less gritty than Daredevil and Luke Cage etc. and it has not benefited the show for being so. The show is good but does seem to be the weakest of the four.
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