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Hasta que el asesinato nos separe: Soering vs. Haysom (2023)

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Hasta que el asesinato nos separe: Soering vs. Haysom

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8/10

Watched this whole thing play out IRL

  • marymcfarland-01866
  • 1 nov 2023
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8/10

Super creepy

I give this one a solid 8 and would have given it a 10 if they hadn't drawn it out because I think the series could have wrapped up in less time. Anyway, the two main characters, wow are they sociopathic clever I'll give them that one. I don't want to add details because I don't want to spoil it, but the twists in this, the sheer creepy natural style of the two makes the hairs on your neck stand up. I can only say that I wish the crime investigation tech of today had been available back then. I watched this in a morning (I wake up really early) and couldn't stop. The investigative side and commentary woven in makes this a well done documentary. I'll say remember one word 'passion'...in more ways than one.
  • HumbleMensa
  • 4 nov 2023
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8/10

So good, it allows further unanswered questions to ensue

  • KatoC
  • 31 oct 2023
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7/10

Who do you believe?

  • deanjarvis-49313
  • 27 nov 2023
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6/10

He looks so happy

There seems to be no doubt that Elizabeth's parents were killed by her, him or both of them. At the very least, they planned it together. What never ceases to amaze me is that he appears to be so happy. He spent 33 years in prison!! I can't help but think that, being the same age as Jens, it's as if I was put in prison at 21 and released today. A whole life lost and he appears happy. And another thing, why was he received as a hero in Germany? I'm also surprised that certain American politicians were so eager to set him free. After all, the sentence was never changed, he was and is guilty. The series? Good, a 6.
  • pablobianchimartinez-37386
  • 7 nov 2023
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7/10

Getting what they deserved

  • rbrb
  • 3 nov 2023
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9/10

I was glued to this!

All I can say without ruining or spoiling it is I was riveted. This story is so bananas it's hard to even believe but it's true, it happened. I remember seeing their faces on the tv when I was young but I don't remember what exactly what went down and if you don't know, I would advise you go in not knowing. It's better that way. Because at one point my jaw was on the floor. Basically it's the story of two high IQ rich kids with enormous egos who fall in love and develop a shared delusion based on literature works like Macbeth and Romeo and Juliet. They then plan to murder the girl's parents so she could be "free." -insert rolled eyes emoji- You can binge watch this in a night and it's highly worth it.
  • DollfaceSword
  • 3 nov 2023
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7/10

The Romeo and Juliet who became the Macbeths

Of course, the Romeo and Juliet of the 1980s wouldn't end up like Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet - they would become Macbeth and Lady Macbeth. This is an intriguing and well-made 4-part true-crime documentary about two bookish, uppity Echols scholars who together planned and committed the murder of the girl's parents back in 1985. But who did what? And were they both to blame, or did one manipulate the other?

Unlike what many commenters on here seem to think, the series is actually made by a German crew, not an American one. Which arguably is one of the reasons why Jens speaks German in his new interviews. Another reason is obviously that he now lives in Germany and maybe is no longer that fond of the United States, which he claims are guilty of miscarriage of justice against him.

After watching the series, I don't really have any strong opinions as to who of the two did what, or who is more believeable. And that tells me the producers did a fairly good job in balancing their narrative. The series is not an apologia for Mr. Söring, even if the story he tells himself obviously is just that.

In summary, this is a story of star-crossed love, youthful arrogance/stupidity, and in all probability at least a certain amount of antisocial personality disorder(s).
  • fredrikgunerius
  • 28 nov 2023
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8/10

Quality True-Crime Documentary

  • Pequod88
  • 15 may 2024
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6/10

Good story but creeped out by Jens

I enjoyed the documentary it was well made and good true crime!

Jens no matter how toxic their relationship was, he's a sick f$&k and still is.

One thing I noticed is that he speaks perfect English and still insisted on only speaking German in this American documentary. It shows how calculating and weird he is.

I don't care what his IQ is. He sick and evil.

Not saying she's perfect. Not even a victim. She was just more obvious.

Both are guilty in their own way. They were obsessed with each other. They both have to pay the price.

I don't think we will ever have the whole truth.

Good documentary though!!
  • mspinkbytes
  • 4 nov 2023
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8/10

Very well documented!

It's been a while since I've seen a criminal documentary, the truth is that this one is very well documented. Very detailed and with very good moments in the courtroom, realistic and without actors, I loved that. Well.. almost all of them are the real characters of the investigation and the crime.

The story is strong, with real images of the crime, be careful if you are sensitive to this type of story, it can give you nightmares. The documentary is very exciting and has 4 episodes that keeps you on the edge of the seat. It has terrifying moments and those that leave you stunned.

There is more than enough evidence to imprison them both, the letters between Elizabeth and Jens are the best example. If the crime was committed by Elizabeth or Jens, or both, only they will know. We will never know, although the movie tickets made me doubt, but the truth is that I don't know, it's quite complicated. That they deserve jail, that's certainly clear to me.

Jens uses his intelligence to turn the story around, very credible in my opinion. He served more than 30 years in prison, so there is a reasonable doubt. It is clear that the help of powerful politicians and his diplomatic status also help him. Let's be honest, because of him they freed Elizabeth too, that seemed strange to me but logical at the same time.

Jens leaves prison very happy and cheerful, but I imagine that after more than 30 years, prison becomes your home, right? Or so I think. I also didn't mind that he spoke in German, it is his native language and he expresses himself better that way.

This documentary is very well made, one of the best crime documentaries I have seen in recent years, and I also did not know about this crime.

It is worth it from start to finish, it is scary and at the same time it is very psychological. As you can see, I am a fan, I recommend it without a doubt.
  • Guanche48
  • 19 nov 2023
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7/10

It's interesting, if a little padded.

Back in April 1985, The Police are alerted to the home of Derek and Nancy Haysom, who have both been brutally murdered. Police are keen to talk to their daughter Elizabeth, and boyfriend Jens Söring, but the pair have fled the country.

It's a fascinating, bizarre story, which for me, after watching this, is still unresolved. I was as muddled by the end, as I was at the start.

What on Earth really happened, there's so much information, but it's so hard to put the pieces together, it seems that people are firmly in his or her camp, could it not just simply have been a case of both of them did it, and aimed to make it all so messy and complex?

You are only hearing one side, as only Jens Söring speaks, you don't hear from from Elizabeth outside of the trials and Police interviews.

I'm going to say it again, did it need to be four episodes long, the first episode could easily have been edited down, as could the fourth.

7/10.
  • Sleepin_Dragon
  • 1 jul 2024
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5/10

Interesting, but...

  • xykatexy
  • 1 mar 2024
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7/10

No surprises

Usually when Netflix presents a true-crime documentary, there is always some sort of controversial angle to discuss. In this one, in my opinion, there is nothing controversial to discuss. Both of the people who were accused of the crime most likely had something to do with the crime. Only one of them was convicted of murder, served a prison sentence that was equally lengthy. You might argue that neither one of them deserved to be released on parole, but that is another question altogether. I don't believe that Jens had nothing to do with the murder, and I also don't believe that Elizabeth was not present during the murder. The alibi that they both constructed was pretty weak considering it relied on movie tickets that can be fixed, especially back then. And if they were innocent, why did they both run away together, causing an international manhunt?
  • atleverton
  • 4 nov 2023
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6/10

Like a stone skipping over the top of the story...

  • sue-77
  • 2 nov 2023
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7/10

Compelling, albeit flawed

Netflix has done a solid job churning out this relatively-compelling documentary mini-series.

It centers around a brutal double homicide and the two individuals believed to have been involved in it. But questions about each individual's role in the crime loom, and each opens itself up to meaningful rabbit holes worthy of true crime exploration.

But don't expect this mini-series to get to the bottom of any questions or even explore any rabbit hole in much depth. Expect, rather, sneak peaks of many rabbit holes. It's sort of like the Ikea Showroom of intellectually-compelling true crime - entertaining enough but lacking punch.

I especially surprised that, even near the end of the series, some basic elements of the crime (logistics, brutality, etc.) were not discussed, though they both could have made meaningful and highly-relevant talking points. My inner philosophy student was also somewhat surprised that they failed to mention the prisoner's dilemma.

It almost seems like the series was put together kind of shabbily - if not carelessly. Another sign of this is that Jens Soering's interviews are all in German, despite him speaking perfect English. This was probably because they used the footage from the previously-made German documentary "Killing For Love" (I haven't verified this but strongly suspect it). I don't take issue with the German itself, but it's just another reason to suspect that Netflix is - perhaps fittingly - not telling us the whole story here....

Thankfully, the basics of the story are very intriguing, and the whole story isn't necessary if one's goal is simply to produce "binge-worthy" true crime content. The real life mystery, therefore, provides all the intellectual weight. And coupled with the solid aesthetic production of any Netflix content, that makes for entertaining viewing. It sure could have been better, but that doesn't make it bad.
  • alexlegge-80489
  • 1 nov 2023
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8/10

Decent other than the "footprint" expert

  • MovieShrink7
  • 16 nov 2023
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7/10

A Disastrous Duo: Elizabeth and Jens, the Epitome of Stupidity

  • fsaharti
  • 1 nov 2023
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8/10

Gripping stuff

Electric, gripping documentary. You won't regret watching this. Very creepy murder mystery, keeps you guessing all the way through - and indeed at the end. Told in four bingeable episodes.

How did the parents of a brainy, middle class student come to be butchered to death in their home? Was it their daughter or her mercurial German boyfriend? Can we believe either of their stories or are they each trying to cover their own tracks?

It's very well done with dramatic footage from the murder trials and a range of interviews - including Jen Soering himself. Full of colourful footage from the 80s and 90s too.
  • thomasamullen
  • 5 ene 2024
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7/10

Natural born teen killers

  • glenaobrien
  • 14 ene 2024
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8/10

Worth a watch but one sided

  • Sunflower_
  • 20 nov 2023
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6/10

Foreign

Right out of the gate you're losing stars. This dude went to the University of Virginia and was in the US for awhile and is German but he doesn't speak English? So I've got to watch subtitles to know what's going on? Ridiculous.

Any show with subtitles should advertise as such. It's an entirely different viewing experience having to read captions the whole time. Horrible.

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My scale: 1-5 decreasing degrees of "terrible", with 5 being "mediocre" 6- OK. Generally held my interest OR had reasonable cast and/or cinematography, might watch it again 7 - Good. My default rating for a movie I liked enough to watch again, but didn't rise to the upper echelons 8- Very good. Would watch again and recommend to others 9- Outstanding. Would watch over and over; top 10% of my ratings 10 - A classic. (Less than 2% receive this rating). For Lifetime Movies for Chicks (LMFC), drop the above scale by 3 notches. A 6 is excellent and 7 almost unattainable.
  • bt698nhj
  • 6 mar 2024
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5/10

Key point of evidence missed

  • welkad
  • 18 nov 2023
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6/10

Convoluted

  • cb_whitewood
  • 13 abr 2025
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1/10

waste of time

Could easily been a 30 minute 'cold case files' episode. It is completely drawn out to waste your time. There is no resolution, no final evidence, it is all just a bunch of gossip. The fact a guy who spoke English for over 40 years magically only speaks German and needs translation for his neflix interviews should tell you all you need to know for a load of Bull. The next part that lets you know the story is full of it is the fact that over half the people interviewed are themselves reporters or interviewers. They have literally Nothing to do with the story itself, they are people who have their own opinions of the story. Such a waste of time.
  • stephenhalasz
  • 5 nov 2023
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