Killer Sally (2022) User Reviews

Losing against the District Attorney Game

[neilwork · 7/10 · 3 November 2022]

This is a documentary about how the District Attorney will play the system to defeat anyone they come up against regardless of whether they're innocent or guilty...they only want to win and Dan Goldstein is a prime example of this. Just look at how he's aged and riddled with the disgusting things he has said and done to people. He cannot conceive that everyone is different, he simply worked to box Sally up as a violent woman, he used drug addicts/pedlars to provide witness testimony and he basically worked on the notion that mental health issues do not exist especially when you're battered.

The guy literally shows how he celebrated this as a victory when he took her life. It's pretty inconceivable that this battered woman was planned a murder, called 911 and had herself locked up, away from her children and basically lose her own life to take one...there's zero sense in that, zero.

It shows how fraudulent the "justice" system in the US is.

"Valentimes" Day -- Killer Sally is a story of generational trauma

[timmyhollywood · 6/10 · 15 November 2022]

I'm not if sure the term "generational trauma" existed in 1995, but that is, ultimately, what this three-part limited docuseries from Netflix is all about.

Body-builder and marine Sally' McNeills parents were alcoholics when they raised her. She was abused, physically and otherwise, in childhood. Her first husband abused her, and her second husband abused her. Her children grew up to be both abusers and the abused. Both went into the military where, like their mother, they acquired PTSD. Shawntina (sp?) got into an abusive relationship while serving, and John fell into drugs and alcohol after his final tour. (He claims he was "very bad" to a woman who loved him, hinting at his own abusiveness.)

From director Nanette Burstein (Hillary), Killer Sally at least seems to indicate *some* closure for John and Shawntina. It seems we do progress, somewhat, as a species: We learn from the growing field of psychology. Shawntina was able to escape her abusive relationship, John was able to (seemingly) recover from drugs and alcohol by attending to rehab. And Sally appears to have some insight about her life and behavior.

As far as the murder at the center of this story, I have no doubt Sally was in possession of her faculties when she murdered Ray -- she went back into the bedroom for another round and reloaded the shotgun, then shot him again (in the face). That's not self-defense, per se.

But I also don't doubt that Sally was a battered woman. And that, on some level, her action *was* a form of self-defense. Even "premeditated" must have degrees. There are very deliberate, very acute actions from a person with perfect clarity of mind, and then there are shades of duress. Even free will is arguable.

But we have to have laws, we have to have a functioning society. Whether or not it was a perfectly moral solution for Sally to spend 25 years in prison, "justice was served" nevertheless. We can't have people pumping slugs into their spouses and just walking away, even if they do seem a bit battered and full of PTSD and say "Valentimes Day."

In terms of the craft of this documentary, kudos to Netflix for not protracting it into five or more episodes. Three was just right. However, Killer Sally seemed to be missing something. It wasn't the prescient meditation on battered woman syndrome it could have been. It didn't delve very deeply into the question of steroid use, or PTSD, and how these could have affected the behaviors of both Ray and Sally.

While body-building is a fascinating and bizarre world, and its off-shoot, wrestling (particularly body-builder women wrestling submissive men for money) is also bizarre, the series didn't get particularly deep here either.

It wasn't a riveting courtroom drama, nor a gritty forensic account of a controversial murder. It was a little bit of all of theses things, but not enough of any one of them to make it very memorable.

6/10.

Daniel Goldstein is human garbage

[VH1jesse · 7/10 · 5 November 2022]

This poor woman. Surrounded by pretty much the worst people imaginable. Daniel Goldstein is just the biggest POS I've ever seen in a true crime doc. Along with all of Ray's friends (DJ is a moron), it's a surprise she's not completely insane. Definitely worth the watch but some of the people they interview might make your blood boil. All of rays friends just completely dismiss the fact that dude beats his wife and cheats on her religiously but defend that he was a good dude that was trying to leave the marriage. Absolutely laughable. One of them (probably DJ) tried to bring race into the equation for some reason. Nah ray was just an abusive monster.

Media, misogyny, and a bad defense

[tinkkytone · 7/10 · 2 November 2022]

There isn't a lot going on in this documentary, except you get a brief look into the niche culture of body building. The picture of a buff woman is alway intriguing. If they had titled this: Two Marines Kill Each Other (and one had a bad lawyer) then no one would watch this. The most important thing to learn from this documentary is never speak to the police. Always, always ask for a lawyer. If you don't have one then wait for one. That's it. A lot of things go wrong when you talk to the cops! Also, if you are in a toxic relationship then please leave and seek help. The one positive thing to note is at the end of the documentary, Sally does get out of prison and reconnects with her broken family. It's bittersweet to say the least, but it's somewhat happy. Overall it's not a bad documentary and at three episodes not a big investment.

The prosecutor & bff

[Pnkprinses309 · 25 November 2022]

Why did you include the prosecutor and the bff & all the hateful and evil people in this? You know nothing about what goes on behind closed doors. Even the bff says he wasn't there when things went down but sally begged him to stay...so how would he know the truth? Sally showed fear when asking for him to stay.

Our justice system is rigged and broken. Don't EVER talk to the police ESPECIALLY if you're innocent. This is a cut and dry case of self defense. The sexism and lack of real defense and her ignorance is what did her in.

I don't care what anyone says: if you kill your abuser, it is self defense, no matter how many shots you take. The abuser will KILL YOU no matter how many times they choke or hit you.

Quite good

[gallagherkellie · 7/10 · 16 November 2022]

This documentary was well made. The first episode I laughed out loud and it was quite lighthearted and interesting, and then I posits 2 became darker.

They did it in a way in that lost of the story was from Sally herself, however they did present the other side which had you wondering what you'd do if you were on the jury.

I really feel for her children the most, the poor things were so young and entered into a life of violence afterwards too.

Being only 3 episodes this was a perfect amount of time - anything over 4 episodes is too long for a documentary.

Recommend to all true crime doco lovers out there. You'll learn something about bodybuilding too!

Sally's life story is worth knowing about! [+64%]

[arungeorge13 · 6/10 · 7 November 2022]

There isn't enough material for three episodes; two would have worked out perfectly. The story of Sally is definitely worth telling, from everything to her body-building career and the abusive equation she shared with her husband Rob, to the resulting murder. I appreciate Netflix choosing to tell this story after Sally's release because it would have left a sour taste in every viewer's mouths to know that she was still serving a prison sentence for what she did - maybe, partly due to roid rage and partly due to the mistreatment she had been meted out all those years, right from her childhood to her failed relationships. Sally's love for her kids is undeniable, and that's what keeps the emotional core of the piece fully intact.

The media and the prosecution, as expected, played a role in worsening the conditions of the trial and pictured Sally as more of an "abuser" and less of an "abused" citing her physicality and occupation. Ray's friends also seem unclear of their current stance, but casually speak about he was a physically imposing person who could beat people up with ease (even inflicting injuries on multiple occasopns). Sally's kids also get a fair amount of screen-time, given that their lives also changed drastically after the incident, and it felt important to hear their life stories (with its share of downs).

Sally's got a gun

[RedKidBytes · 6/10 · 5 November 2022]

It's a true crime documentary drama about the former US marine and bodybuilder Sally McNeill. She meets her second husband Ray who also is a bodybuilder when they were both in the marines.

Ray turns out to be an abusive husband to Sally (raping, beating, choking) as well as an abusive and fearsome stepfather to her two young children (belting, yelling).

The narrative of the story does not get deep into the plot instead stays mostly at the surface. It asks simple questions about the events coming up to the point of the incident. From the audience's point of view, neither the persecution proved without a reasonable doubt that Sally premeditatedly killed her husband with intent nor the defense proved that Sally was a victim of abuse and she pulled the trigger in self-defense. Particularly, such became difficult to prove because, after shooting her husband once in the torso, she went to the bedroom to reload her weapon and came back to shoot him in the face for the 2nd time when he was laying on the floor.

Everyone was a victim of this crime including Ray, Sally, and her younger children. However, I would have wanted to see Sally's side better. More in-depth questions should be considered. Does going back to the bedroom to reload the weapon properly prove that Sally was guilty with intent? How about the mental and emotional state of a woman who has been abused for years? Because she also had been abusive, does that mean that she was not afraid of getting killed that night? This documentary barely skimmed over such questions.

Complex

[peterslam · 7/10 · 4 November 2022]

Sally did kill her husband so the title is accurate. How and why she killed him is the debate of the series. By the end it seems the filmmakers took her side which is fair but in the end nobody won regardless of who was right. In my opinion she had one fight too many and killed him to end it once and for all. The 'if I can't have you nobody can' may play a part but the element of PTSD in battered women was the main cause. Even if I don't find Sally as innocent as she makes herself appear I don't believe she deserved to spend as long as she did in prison for it. At least she's out now and can make up for the time taken away from her.

Better Than You Think It'll Be

[omcg-49590 · 9/10 · 3 November 2022]

Pretty sweet. Pretty hilarious. Pretty sad.

A tragic story. It does also have a number of hilarious moments. And great 80's steeze.

The videos she made are gold. How many videos are there out there that should be on streaming services or YouTube right now? This stuff is gold! Anything from the early days of video that is this caliber of comedy.

When it gets to the police station footage, and we can see exactly what was said by those people in that horrific situation... Both Sally and the kids are remarkably clear-headed. It is heartbreaking that she was even charged with murder. How about 3rd degree manslaughter, minimal sentence?

How many governors allowed this woman to rot in prison?

Her lawyer admitted he gave her bad representation

[OneAnjel · 7/10 · 3 November 2022]

I like Sally, and I identify with her a little bit. I have always been an emotional passionate woman who could get a little out of hand sometimes. But having dated some really big guys myself, who were in The bodybuilding world, I can tell you there's no way she could have defended herself with anything but a weapon that could put some distance between her and her abuser, and that means a gun. When a bodybuilding man is on roids it's much different then for a female, especially one who is only taking one. We now know that men on steroids can really become out of control animals. Who's to say what was happening in their home that day but the kids should have been taken more seriously and they told the cops that the dad had beat their mother. I feel that Sally is the unfortunate victim of a time when squeaky Wheels were screaming for women to be held responsible for being abusers. I myself was in the unfortunate position of being arrested once when I slapped a man who had pulled my hair and thrown me on the ground in front of witnesses. I was arrested for being the abuser and he was not arrested. The cops were under extreme pressure to get women in handcuffs who were doing any sort of physical action or reaction. Add to that the fact that Ray was, for all intents and purposes, a celebrity, and we can see that Sally was railroaded. She has a good case to get her conviction overturned because of the words of her own lawyer in this documentary. Even though she's already done her time, she should pursue this. He even admits he didn't want her to get on the stand and yet she didn't know that he felt that way. That is some BS representation . I don't know where Ray was when she took that second shot, but I believed her when she said that he was still talking and trying to get back up. If he were on the ground trying to get back up when she took that second shot then the blood spatter would have gone up into the lamp just like she said. She had a crap lawyer during the time when the cops were trying to get handcuffs on women. I thought the documentary was interesting and not so long that you might feel you want to get your time back. But there wasn't really much about the trial itself so I think the title is misrepresenting what's actually here. But as someone else said, if it was titled two Marines abuse each other and one gets killed nobody would watch it. I was really struck by the son who said he hated Ray. It takes some serious abuse for a child to hate a caretaker. There's probably some other things they're not telling us here. One of the reviews here that says something about taking on the da I agreed with except for the part where they said how fraudulent the US justice system is. Our system in the US is actually the most coveted system in the world, it gives both criminals and victims the most fair outcome based on a jury of their peers. There is no other country in the world where you could kill another person and actually have the potential to walk out a free person. So while I agree that there are many discrepancies in our system like Johnny Depp getting away with abusing Amber Heard and her being railroaded by the media, there is no other country I would rather live in if I were accused of a crime or the victim of a crime. And almost every other country victims seldom get any form of compensation for medical expenses or punitive damages or any such thing. People can look down on lawyers and complain about the system but I would love to see them go live in another country and have any sort of crime happen to them or be accused of a crime and then they'll be lamenting that they wish they were back in the US.

Well done, but hard to watch if you are a DV survivor

[laurafluck · 9/10 · 4 November 2022]

First and foremost, if you, like me, are a DV survivor, parts of this will be VERY triggering... but it's my own experience in DV that makes me believe Sally's side of this story. Her descriptions of the abuse, her reactions to it, the feeling of being unable to leave, all of it was spot on. And as for "no imminent threat"... when you are a battered person the threat is ALWAYS imminent.

Not only was she poorly represented but the prosecutor is a disgusting excuse for a human being. His reaction to her trial and conviction even today is gleeful. He should be ashamed of himself but I doubt he's capable of it.

Another Great true crime Documentary.

[destiny_west · 7/10 · 13 November 2022]

I was unsure about watching Killer Sally, reading the information about the documentary, I was not sure it was something that I was going to be interested in when it came to the true crime genre.

I am certainly glad that I gave it a go. This documentary tells the story of a female body builder - Sally, who kills her abusive body builder husband and what follows suit.

I have to say that I really felt compassion for Sally. I know that a lot of people take people on face value, so you could be easily misconstrued into thinking she was potentially the bad one in the story. However as the story unfolds, you see what this woman went through and how she was targeted for being a particular way.

This documentary is definitely worth the watch.

... but she reloaded...

[dierregi · 5/10 · 11 November 2022]

This is one of those stories that makes one feel hopeless about humankind. A couple of self-involved, lusty individuals stick together for several years of unhappy relationship. Eventually, even though they both wanted out, neither left until the bitter end.

Ray and Sally were two bodybuilders so wrapped up with their "career" that they kind of forgot about her two children destined to follow in their footpath of broken families and violent upbringing.

Sally gets the lion's share of the documentary and gives her own - biased - version of the story. Even if Ray was violent towards her, she did not leave. Especially her statement about being ready to move back with her parents rings false. She stated that "It was too late" without explaining why. What actually stopped her? Certainly not Ray, who was ready to move on with his lover...

Anyway, in true Netflix spirit, they try to turn Sally into a sort of saint martyr, and they manage because the audience seems not to have noticed the extremely relevant part of her reloading the shotgun to put another round into Ray, who was lying on the floor dying. That was what made her spend 25 years in prison - like it or not, reloading and shooting somebody on the ground rules out self-defense.

However, this is a depressing story were all the parties involved are equally repulsive and pathetic, a bunch of people totally unable to exercise any form of self-control or restrain and capable only to follow their instincts in a savage and brutal way.

True crime story, well made.

[deloudelouvain · 7/10 · 29 October 2023]

Killer Sally is another true crime story like we are bombarded with on television lately. This case is well explained, with good interviews of both sides of the story, from killer to children, from best friends to attorneys. Everybody will have an opinion about the case and so did I. I think Sally McNeil was a battered woman but still she shouldn't have killed him. Leaving him was the only correct solution, like it always should be in these cases. I am sure he wasn't an easy man to live with but she had for sure a violent temper as well so these two should never have met each other or ar least not stayed together. I didn't found her a heartless or irritating woman. The only real cockroach of society in this well made documentary is Dan Goldstein, the former district attorney. A nasty narcist that enjoys being in the spotlights, that feeds on the misery of others. He's the only one that made me sick to the stomach.

Great theme but need better storytelling

[milutinovicnikola-83578 · 7/10 · 13 June 2023]

Although I typically don't enjoy watching documentaries, I must admit that this particular one caught my attention. I was impressed by the way the show tackled the theme of family violence, which is an issue that needs to be addressed more often in our society. It is crucial that we offer support and assistance to battered women and all victims of violence, as they often feel alone and helpless. While opinions may vary on the matter, it is evident that the relationship depicted in the documentary was doomed from the start, and the consequences of the abuse were devastating. It is important to recognize that battered women can be physically strong and capable of defending themselves, but that does not excuse the abuser's actions. Nobody deserves to be subjected to violence, and we all need to work together to create a safer and more peaceful world. By raising awareness, educating others, and offering support to those in need, we can make a difference and put an end to the cycle of violence.

Never talk to the police

[seaslug-53589 · 7/10 · 14 May 2023]

Sally fell for the good cop bad cop routine and spilled her guts out all night long to a supposedly sympathetic female detective; but alas the police are not your friend. By the time the sun came up and realized she needed a lawyer, it was too late; the damage was done. Even her 911 call made her look guilty as she started she shot her husband AFTER he attacked her, not during. Had she exercised her right to remain silent and waited for an attorney, she might have had a chance, but her blabbering sealed her fate. Although the interview with the prosecutor didn't mention the 911 call or her admissions of guilt in the interview room, it must have been brought up at trial; we only saw snippets of the actual trial.

Killer Sally on Steroids 💪🏻

[BudoSenpai · 4 November 2022]

In no way do I condone domestic violence, particularly when a man beats a woman, especially in front of her kids. However, Sally was using steroids as well, and it was later revealed that she had one steroid in her system after she killed Ray. The first shot tore off parts of his liver, and the second shot to the face was unnecessary. "Roid Rage" is a serious issue; this is not the first time something like this has happened amongst bodybuilder couples. There was one tragic incident where the couple actually got into a fight over their share of steroids. That time the girlfriend ended up dead.

There's no telling what she may have been saying to Ray at the time of the murder. She even admitted that she told him he looked like crap, and that he wasn't going to win the competition. She knew how he felt about winning, did she say that to provoke him? Women can be abusive too! I agree with the DA when he said she was angry because Ray was seeing another woman. So maybe she was in a "Roid Rage" in combination with a jealous rage that night. If her son was old enough to testify he would have told the truth about her. In the interview he made it very clear that his mother was very aggressive, and besides, she had a history of being hostile, even in the military. Ex-Marine + Aggressive Nature + Steroid Abuse + Toxic Environment + Jealousy = TIME-BOMB 💣

Killer Sally killed her defense... again...

[julianmarku · 7/10 · 7 January 2023]

Killer Sally is the perfect documentary that shows how bad reputation can act like gasoline to your problems.

I honestly think that the documentary pays too much lip service to Sally and victimhood. It brings up how victimhood can just excuse the trial. The documentary isn't about rational truth, it's about Sally's story as she wants it.

Everyone that goes into military suddenly has PTSD and blames all their problems on it. Sorry, I guess all combat vets are ticking timebomb. Therapy just doesn't exist in 2000s it seems.

I think that she is a manipulator who tried to use every excuse in the book and even though some justice was found she still got away with public sympathy even though this woman shoot her husband twice with a shotgun that needed to be reloaded... the prosecution was absolutely right about that and the journalists are absolutely willing to bend over for victimhood excuse because that is what sells these days, it seems....

At the end of the documentary, I laugh, I was imagining her living in a cat lady house in the middle of nowhere trying to treat her PTSD and abuse (I was so wrong!) there she is on a beach with target sorry husband #3 less than 2 years after she was released. That Prison time really fixed her PTSD and trauma from getting abused by the nightmarish Ray. She could just flip the switches off in her brain and start again, just like that... even her son couldn't do that.

Maybe she did get a lot of help, maybe she has the right attitude to get back on her feet. But the one thing I got from this documentary is that this woman did NOT get as battered as she says she was or can't act it out at all. There are just no lasting signs, no proof of it : you lived to take your clothes off and train at the gym every week, not even one person at the gym saw you in a training bra and questioned why you have bruises on your neck? In the 90s?! After OJ Simpson trial?!

A True Crime Documentary That Barely Breaks a Mental Sweat

[natmavila · 6/10 · 22 March 2024]

Killer Sally, Netflix's latest dive into the true crime genre, is like ordering a mystery meat sandwich and finding out it's just turkey-safe, predictable, but somehow still manages to keep you at the table. The series, spanning over three episodes, chronicles the life and trials of Sally McNeil, a bodybuilder who was convicted of killing her husband on Valentine's Day. It's a story that has all the ingredients for a gripping tale: love, steroids, bodybuilding, and a murder mystery. However, the execution is as graceful as a bodybuilder pirouetting in a ballet. It's intriguing, yes, but you can't shake off the feeling that something's not quite right.

The documentary does an admirable job of laying out the facts, like a well-organized gym routine, but forgets to wipe down the equipment afterward. The pacing feels akin to a treadmill session that's set too slow; you're moving, but are you really getting anywhere? Interviews with Sally McNeil herself, alongside a slew of other characters from the bodybuilding world, provide a kaleidoscope of perspectives that are as colorful as spandex at a fitness competition. Yet, the series struggles to flex its narrative muscle, often getting lost in its own repetitions without adding new insights or depth to the story.

In the realm of true crime documentaries, Killer Sally is the gym buddy who has the potential to bench press the weight of a compelling story but settles for light cardio. It's okay, like a protein shake that promises more muscle gain than it can deliver. You'll drink it, you might even enjoy it, but you won't help but wonder what it's really made of. If you're in for a light workout for your brain, where you don't have to think too hard or feel too much, then this series might just be your next pick. Just don't expect to break a mental sweat or to be too sore from any groundbreaking revelations.

Irresponsible parenting...

[edwin-wks · 8/10 · 6 November 2022]

And child abuse are really the underlying themes of Killer Sally. Without those, people would not get into or stay in clearly toxic relationships. What is apparent is that Sally and Ray both had dysfunctional childhoods, which led them to the perfect storm that was their six-year relationship. No one with healthy boundaries and a strong sense of self would marry a lover after a mere two months of courtship. That was the first red flag.

The maltreatment of Sally by her stepfather caused her to believe that she was flawed, undeserving and never good enough for anyone. She learnt to base her worth on what she did for other people. Ray, on the other hand, had to fend for himself after being abandoned by his parents; this led him to view people only as utility or an extension of himself as his young psyche sought to protect itself from obliteration. In other words, through opposite adaptation to emotional trauma, one became a giver and the other a taker.

There is a concept called repetition compulsion where we replay dynamics of previous significant relationships in current ones. Sally was unconsciously repeating her relationship with her stepfather with Ray. She could not step away from her marriage to Ray, even to protect her children, because she was determined for it to succeed in order to make up for the approval she could never gain from her stepfather. Ray became a substitute for Sally's stepfather; in shooting him, Sally was really trying to silence the crushing disapproval that she felt from the male figures in her life. There are no villains here, only children who deserved better parents and happier childhoods.

The lowest common denominator gets rewarded

[jalib-66193 · 6/10 · 6 April 2024]

I am not a yank, but watching things like this, american nightmare, the conversations with a killer series, I am beginning to understand the whole "defund" movement in the states.

This was a black and white, irrefutable case of domestic abuse and self defence, yet through nothing other than sheer, incomprehensible stupidity was declared "murder".

Everyone, including Ray's own friends corroborated that he was physically abusive and had been for years, 2 of the police who responded to Sally's call noted in their paperwork the marks and bruises on her body and neighbours heard a domestic fight the night of the shot.

All of this was ignored because mr da scumbag shows up and makes the fllowing "arguments" 1: that because a woman who is stressed, exhausted and locked in a tiny room with no information tries to close her eyes and briefly escape a bleak reality inbetween incessant questions that means she has no remorse 2: becuse Sally took care of herself and wasn't chained into the kitchen to only exist when Ray needed her, she couldn't possibl have been abused by a 6ft2, 260lb roid abusing psychopath.

3: They claimed that all forensic evidence was invalid because there was "no DNA of Sally's found on Ray", which is 100% bs for a number of reasons A: She said he choked her, not cut her, unless his nails were like claws there would be minimal to no transfer from this.

B: She said right from the first interview that when she got away from him she used the gun to keep him away so he couldn't lay hands on her. These 2 things completely explain minimal amounts of DNA C: Claiming there was "no DNA" is an absolute lie. They lived together in a small apartment, he was using shared cooking utensils to cook shared food in a shared kitchen, after he was shot he was lying on a floor which both of their feet had trod on thousands of times and to try and shield the kids as best she could, Sally put a shared blanket from *their* bed over him. It is literally impossible in that environment for there to have been no DNA on him, replace Ray with a total stranger in that scenario and they would still have a ton of Sally's DNA on them after all that happened.

Yet somehow despite evidence and testimony from literally everyone even remotely aware of their relationship, including people whose only knowledge of Sally was through Ray as proxy because Ray was their friend all collaborating, all lining up and all proving beyond any discernable doubt that it was self defence, a scumbag, overcompensating "prosecutor" told a series of blatant lies, ignored evidence and spun a tale born from his inability to please women and a jury whose collective IQ was so low they could not possibly be deemed as human beings believed literal fiction over medical records, visible bruising, police documentation of bruising and accounts from Rays own circle of friends.

That's a truly disgusting level of stupidity.

Innocent

[joanneeccles-55847 · 9/10 · 2 November 2022]

I am disgusted this woman spent so long in prison, i found her likeable and I believed her story , that prosecutor was a disgrace , and the fact the her kids saw and heard him choke her on many occasions and it was still turned around to make him the victim , I'm happy she gets to live a happy life now, I thought this document was really good , yes she killed her husband , yes she fired twice but if you felt your life was in danger who could say we wouldn't do the safe, in the end i felt for those poor kids ,their life was ruined by their mothers choice of husband , but we can not choose who we fall in love with , she is not to blame for his violence.

Women can abuse men also and this serves as an unbiased documentary to highlight this to society

[markturnersamsungs · 4/10 · 5 November 2022]

This is a really in-depth documentary about a woman who may have purposely killed her husband as she was maybe a victim of violence in the documentary bruising and critical evidence to support this theory only testimonies, although on the contrary evidence to show how she abused her husband and was obsessed with him is not shown to incriminate her as such. It highlights that men can be victims of domestic violence and women also are violent, the trial is shown and prosecution gives a fair trial from what it seems there doesn't appear to be any gender biased worth a watch as it's interesting although a laid back documentary not action packed with supporting evidence or evidence of crime scene. Then it shows her afterwards moving on with her life but doesn't mention her murdered husband again and his family or where he is buried or the impact for him as a victim of domestic violence.

"Woman can't be victims if they have muscles"

[nikkikuntergraudunkelbunt · 9/10 · 5 November 2022]

The show plays with the narratives a lot, giving first very positive views into the relationship of Sally and Ray, twisting them then in seeing that the relationship was far from being perfect and that there was a lot of abuse going on, explaining both sides of the story with a lot of insight of different people. However, it's the small details you pick up that clearly tell you this is fishy.

Clear is that both had aggression issues and probably aggrevated each other constantly in arguments. Sally also was very protective over her children and her marriage but there is a fine difference between being aggressive and disrespectful and beating up your step children, choking your wife and making a person blind by pressing their eyeballs in with your own fingers.

I am happy that Daniel Goldstein was in this documentary and showed his true face. Comments like that a muscular woman could easily just defend herself and clearly can't be abused and that Sally will sure say things like "I didn't do anything wrong and I regret nothing" just show how r*tten he is in the inside and that he never tried to understand this woman. The friends of Ray going from "I saw him do really evil stuff" to "oh he was just a really big goof ball and could never hurt her" was ridiculous to watch.

Is it okay that she killed him? No, absolutely not. It is however very clear that she did get abused? Yes. The explanation of the autopsy of him laying down on the floor and her pressing in the second shot to secure the kill just by seeing the blood splattered on the inside of the lamp is completely wild to me, as if he couldn't have been falling down after he got shot the second time and the blood splattering on the lamps inside when he landed on the floor. The news media in the 90s being absolutely disgusting with this case too. The children getting striked from the court because they cried too much instead of letting them speak up about their experience in the household. There is just so much that went wrong in this trial with so many people not doing their job correct and I am happy that Netflix picked it up and showed it to the world.