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4/10
The ghosts of a commune want to rest in peace.
michaelRokeefe16 August 2014
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Also known as THE HAUNTING OF REBECCA VERLAINE, this horror flick is a German project written and directed by Olaf Ittenbach. On Christmas Eve, the commune of pop star Gabriel Verlaine(Bela Felsenheimer)is slaughtered, leaving one survivor. That lone survivor is Gabriel's daughter Rebecca(Natacza Boon), who wakes from a long coma to be haunted by an evil murderous spirit. This very low budget chiller gets quite gory. Rebecca is instructed to find who was responsible for the brutal murders wiping out the commune to enable the tortured souls a peaceful rest.

Flesh ripping, eye popping splatter and gore. Don't expect any decent acting; but hold on for some chilling and horrible images. If you like horror movies that pile gore on top of disgusting bloody gore...this mess will not disappoint. The cast includes: Daryl Jackson, Donald Stewart, James Matthews-Pyecka and Alexandra Thom-Heinrich.
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3/10
Good make up, little gore, lame story, don't waste your time on that
Tennoji4 July 2005
The cover shots on the DVD looked very good and the director Olaf Ittenbach has quite a good reputation, so we decided to check this one out. Plus, the main character, German punk rock drummer and singer Bela B., is a very charismatic person and has shown a lot of good taste in horror movies and comics before, so I was very curious about that one.

First point, Bela B. is only in it for a few scenes and has nothing to do except for staring around. OK, he's playing an undead, they stare around and usually do no real acting, but he had shown that he can actually do good acting before, it would have been more interesting to see him in a "real" leading role . So it looked to me that his name was placed on the cover merely to promote the movie.

The other actors are absolutely ridiculous. Why do they all pretend that the story is set in Britain? The landscape, the interiors, everything is so German. Why not simply set the movie in Germany? Everything would be just fine, the story would have worked as well, and we wouldn't have wet our pants every time they tried to act "british". What took away a lot of the atmosphere.

The gore scenes are only a few, most of the time the movie spins around the investigation on Verlaine's murder. That'd be OK, if it only would have been a little bit more suspenseful.

The gory scenes are all set in darkness, so you cannot really see what's going on, you hear a lot of "painful" sounds instead. The make up of the zombies despite of that is very good, haven't seen that good looking dead people so far.

Overall, this movie is boring as hell, the acting is bad, the story is lame and a chilling atmosphere does not come up. Better stay away from that one and check out Ittenbach's "Beyond The Limits". I've seen that one before "Garden Of Love" and was very impressed about the great way of storytelling, the very good professional actors and the really really good atmosphere and setting.
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3/10
If blood is all you love, then that's what you'll receive
Jessica1691 January 2023
Lots of gore in what I suppose is a fairly well done way? I don't mind that if it supports the story instead of just being there for the sake of it as here. Just kind of stupid when it's silly splatter for splatter's sake. The story itself is pretty silly really. The bones of it are ok, but it's not fleshed out. The acting is ok, but the dialogue is pretty insane at times. When a detective is relating the story of the bloody massacre at the back of everything his over the top dramatic dialogue - as opposed to the dry just the facts narration you would expect - is the best part of the movie actually because it's funny. On the whole the movie is pretty dumb and not worth the watch unless you just like watching people being ripped apart by ghosts. Like my title says If blood is all you love, then that's what you'll receive.
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Ittenbach Brilliance
Crap_Connoisseur27 June 2006
This film is further evidence that Olaf Ittenbach is the current king of splatter and gore. There are directors who make scarier and more accomplished films than Ittenbach but no one currently orchestrates squashed skulls, severed limbs and general acts of mutilation better than this German maestro. Garden Of Love is a horror treasure - a highly entertaining mix of black humour and flying body parts.

Garden Of Love is probably Olaf Ittenbach's most structured film, the time leaps and flashbacks which feature so prominently in his other works have been toned down. This has the advantage of making Garden Of Love more appealing to mainstream horror fans but is initially somewhat disconcerting for fans of the manic storytelling on display in films like the classic "Premutos". After overcoming the initial shock of the film's traditional structure and the noticeably improved production values, Ittenbach fans will not take long to settle into the film - despite the somewhat slow start. In fact, in the film's first 30 or 40 minutes is oddly violence free with the exception of the initial massacre and an ingenious butcher knife infomercial.

The film's plot is admittedly rather thin. However, it more than suffices as a backdrop to the film's real purpose - blood, and lots of it. In short, the Verlaine family is massacred in their sleep and the only survivor, Rebecca, wakes from her coma with amnesia. Years later, Rebecah starts receiving messages from her dead family on the TV (just go with it!) and she returns to the family farm for a reunion of sorts. This is the point where Ittenbach kicks free of the storytelling constraints that interfere with his virtuoso approach to blood and gore and lets rip. My favourite scenes include Rebecca's inventive use of a power drill and a spectacular set piece in which the zombified Verlaine family members literally rip a team of police men to shreds. Skulls are smashed, holes punched through faces and bodies, heads shot off and torsos ripped in half. Ittenbach handles this scene with the grace and precision of a maestro conductor standing before an orchestra.

The real brilliance of the film lies in the director's "more is more" approach to gore and his phenomenal skill at employing special effects. Garden Of Love is another showcase of brilliant blood and gore effects. Their realism and impact belie the film's modest budget. It is only the presence of some dubiously talented Ittenbach regulars among the cast that occasionally reminds you that you are watching a micro budget, shot-on-video horror movie. The exception to the mediocre acting is the lead Natacza Boon, who makes a reasonably convincing scream queen. The make-up artists and cameramen deserve a lot credit for the eerie atmosphere inside the Verlaine farmhouse.

Garden Of Love exceeds all the requirements of a good splatter film. You can't help but sense that it will only be a matter of time before the rest of the world catches on to the pleasures of Olaf Ittenbach and his beautifully sick and twisted mind.
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1/10
Psychotic Zombie Ghosts
markpeterjones28 September 2011
If you are a gore fanatic this is a must see! If you are one of those who likes to see why films have been banned then also watch this as it borders those boundaries too! I normally enjoy spooky films but this was a crossover between spooky – which would hook me straight into it, and zombie ripping gore – which I have to look through closed fingers to vaguely see what is going on…still I had to watch it as the eyes of those deceased and the way they stood out within the scary surroundings still kept Basically a girl (Rebecca) returns to the place of a massacre which she survived as a child, but having lost her memory, is none the wiser as to what has happened…all will make sense…or will it….not really sure … I loved the look of the dead people, especially their eyes, and the setting in which they are filmed (not just the house – but the background behind them when they talk to Rebecca in what looks like the light half way between heaven and hell, with creative particles of dust passing each body), but music was a bit naff I didn't really 'feel' for any of the characters which is normally the whole point of a film…so that was disappointing..no budding actors/actresses for the future in this one I am afraid If you like excessive violence then this is the one for you – if you want something 'moving' or 'spooky' don't' bother
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2/10
Boring Almost-A-Horror Movie
aesgaard412 July 2010
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I checked this movie out expected a fair to almost decent ghost movie, but it's actually the slowest horror movie I've ever seen. It's about a girl who survives a massacre at her father's house which looks like John Wayne Gacy doing a job for Charles Manson. A lot of boring gore which shouldn't be in a ghost movie and then shoot to the present and we meet the girl whose now an adult. She has no memories of the night and looks up the murders on the Internet and realizes she was the survivor. The drama filling the plot has the ingredients of a murder mystery of who killed her family and why did she survive and did she really do it. Along the way, she's seeing images of her father's dead corpse on TV and you think, is he having hallucinations or is she the victim of psychological terror. Everyone else leaves or enters just as the images happen which suggests they're being faked, but when she returns to the family home, things become really ridiculous. The detective with her and a band of cops are attacked and ripped apart in a bloodbath of gore and you realize "Oh, it's one of *those* movies." More obscene blood and gore, needless scenes of heads pulled off... it seems dad and the family are not ghosts but zombies in excess deterioration... or maybe they are ghosts because she seems them beyond the house.... or maybe they're zombies. The movie doesn't answer that question. If they were ghosts, you'd think the bullets would just pass through them and hit the wall. Anyway, it's not a good horror movie, but you just wait for the subplot of a murder mystery to catch up and become more interesting, of which, it never does. A remake could conceivably improve on the plot and effects. Bottom line: if you're going to make a ghost movie, forget the blood and guts and try and keep it believable.
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1/10
Just terrible
Michael_Premsrirat9 August 2013
The quality of the film is so poor. The story itself is fine, the plot is serviceable. However, the execution of the script is so awful-- stilted dialogue, long ridiculous stretches of exposition. Over- explaining things for the foreign markets? No, it's just amateurish.

Poorly shot, even though the visual ideas are quite good; it's just not carried out well.

And the gore ... most of the other reviewers seem to love it. I think it's effective, although not necessarily masterful.

I don't think anyone set out to make a bad movie. I think it's a director and some actors (not good, but making the effort ... don't know how they can understand each other with five million accents going on) who tried really hard. Maybe they didn't have the budget/resources to do it well, or the entire crew didn't care about the product at all. Worst case/worst crime--the director did his best and thought this was good. Ugh.
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6/10
Extremely Silly Gore Fest
straight-face28 April 2003
I have had the pleasure of seeing this film at a horror festival in Edinburgh. Garden of Love does not have a serious bone in its sick low-budget body. There is lots and lots of blood and gore, starting with the opening credits. The plot is extremely silly like everything else in this film. In fact you might say this film is a pastiche of gory films. At first this film seemed really bad, but it was so entertaining that the director must have been doing something right. Garden of Love definitely needs to be enjoyed in company (with like-minded people!).

A lot of people were laughing at the quality of the acting, but to be so funny throughout the film it had to be deliberately bad - SURELY?. The character playing Munster was my definite favourite and I would see the film just for his extremely camp performance. I am not sure that many actors could have made the awful lines quite so funny.

You may have gathered that Garden of Love won't be everyone's cup of tea but if you have a soft spot for bad taste gory films then see it, because it's wonderfully awful.
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2/10
Utter Crap
pahaake-474-83961015 August 2015
So, I ignored my better sense and watched this disaster of a film. It's not funny, and even the gore is ridiculous and shot so poorly you can't even enjoy that aspect.

The acting is funny, it's horrific and not in a good way. I used to think freddy got fingered was the worst movie ever made - then I watched this. If I had't been on a plane with nothing better to do I would have stopped watching after the first 5 minutes. But I watched it to the end, and no it doesn't get any better.

The story is stupid, the direction is pathetic, there are 6 year olds that act better than any of the "actors" in this movie, and the script is literally so dumb I was wondering if there is a country somewhere where people actually talk like the actors in this film.

It's bad - really bad - like so bad I would rather have been cleaning toilets than watching this movie. Ignore the good reviews, it's crap - I only gave it 2 stars for the "plot twist" at the end and even that was cliché.
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7/10
A Bit Of A Departure From Ittenbach - But Still Plenty Splattery...
EVOL66630 December 2007
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GARDEN OF LOVE shows a bit of "maturity" on Ittenbach's part, compared to earlier low-budget splatter entries like PREMUTOS and BURNING MOON. It's obvious that Ittenbach has gotten a little better at his craft while still bringing plenty of the red stuff.

Rebecca's family is viciously slaughtered when she was a child (in a kick-ass opening sequence...), and is herself stabbed and left for dead. She awakens from a two year coma, and is taken in by relatives. As an adult, she begins having flash-backs of the events that brought about the demise of her family, and she decides to go back to her childhood home to investigate. There she meets the spirits of her dead relatives, who demand that Rebecca find the murderers and bring them back to the home so that the ghosts can deal out a little revenge...

A pretty solid film that blends a decent storyline with Ittenbach's trademark gore-FX. It's pretty obvious that the director has become more technically proficient, and it's good to see that even though his films seem to be a little more "mature" than some of his previous entries, Ittenbach also still brings the gore in all of his films. The acting seemed relatively decent for the most part, but the atrocious dubbing of the spoken and sound FX tracks that was often several seconds off from what was happening on-screen was done horribly, to the point of distraction. Other than that, not too much to complain about in GARDEN OF LOVE. Not an exceptional film by any means, but a decent entry in the German gore genre. Not quite as fun and splattery as PREMUTOS, but one of Ittenbach's more solid films...7/10
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5/10
Nothing jumps to conclusions faster than a vengeful ghost.
FilmFatale18 January 2015
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In 1990, all of the residents of the Verlaine Farm commune were brutally murdered with cleaver and a kitchen knife in the night except for young Rebecca, who survives in spite of also being attacked. Rebecca spends two years in a coma before being released into the custody of her relatives and seems to grow up relatively unscathed. After reaching college age, Rebecca starts seeing visions of disfigured corpses and begins to investigate the massacre. As she learns more about her past, she finds that the vengeful ghosts of her father and the other commune members are the least of her worries.

I'll be honest here: I wasn't holding out much hope for this one simply because it was an Olaf Ittenbach film and I only knew him for flicks like Premutos. However, I was pleasantly surprised that this isn't a bad little movie. The acting is passable, the story moves along well enough, and the gore (of course) is over the top but fun and well-done. Of course there are problems, like too many plot conveniences and a couple of overly long "This is the exposition part of the movie" monologues, but I didn't have a bad time with Garden of Love.
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9/10
Creepy, comedy crusher with superior makeup FX very un-Hollywood.
wolaf9004426 July 2005
Olaf Ittenbach is absolutely, a master of brutal makeup FX and an artist who doesn't thrive on entertaining the whole family (children) to complete a film. Considering his budgets, Olaf performs wonders ("Beyond The Limits") not to mention write, direct and probably a thousand other tasks to get his films off the ground. Garden of Love is definitely not for the Hollywood film fan, looking for mega-stars with cute, comedic, predictable, punch-lines but rather an original and creepy ghost story with amazing and gory visual FX. If you want cute, comedy/horror or comedy/every other genre, buy/rent something else. If you need comedy/happy endings in your movies beware, you may be offended by their absence. I can only imagine what his collaboration with Buttgereit ("Nekromantik") will bring. Fantastic and refreshing work Olaf, I can't wait to see more.
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6/10
Gore-den of Blood, more like it!
BA_Harrison7 December 2013
The only survivor of a horrific massacre when she was six years old, Rebecca Verlaine (Natacza Boon) has blocked out all memory of the terrible event, so she is understandably shocked when she begins to experience visions of her dead father and his mutilated pals, urging her to find those responsible for their deaths so that they can seek retribution.

Garden of Love? Don't worry… Olaf Ittenbach hasn't gone soft on us and made a romantic drama; despite the soppy sounding title, it's business as usual for the German splatter director, meaning extreme gore by the bucket-load, with heads squished, bodies torn asunder, guts ripped out, and blood splashed all over the place. The only problem is that, in order to get to the good stuff, one has to endure those other Ittenbach movie traits: iffy acting (English dialogue with a strong Teutonic twist), questionable direction, and uneven pacing—in this case the film takes an age to get going, explodes into violence for the film's standout scene, drags again, and then gets nice and bloody for the ending.

Still, fans of the director's other work should be well aware of what they're getting into and will no doubt hang on in there though the less eventful bits, safe in the knowledge that, when Ittenbach does open his bag of special effects, it is guaranteed to get very messy indeed.
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7/10
Ittenback in his element
Heislegend27 May 2009
Let's face it...most people do not know the name Olaf Ittenbach. And to an extent, for good reason. While I'm a fan of his, I find it hard to watch a lot of his earlier stuff and even his newer stuff can be hard to find. But if you're a gorehound (I would not say that about myself, but I do love a good splatter movie now and again), then a healthy Ittenbach collection is a must. It would be very hard to make an argument that anyone currently working in special effects (let alone directing) has the talent he has for making a head go pop or letting loose an almost hilariously unnecessary amount of blood at one time.

With that said, Ittenbach's movies seem to have a bit of a formula to them. They'll usually assault you virtually in the opening credits, drag along for a little while, give you a pretty intense amount of non-stop gore, fade away for a bit longer, and then hit you with a blood soaked climax. The trick is to make it through the parts that are boring to get to the good stuff. "Rebecca Verlaine" is a prime example of this. Mass murder within the first 5 minutes, then a pretty unimpressive story for 20-30 minutes, a big dose of people getting their faces ripped in two and/or their limbs torn off, more boring crap for awhile, and then a nice finale so Ittenbach can let you know who's boss. That...and his trademark disregard for accents. I swear, if there's 4 people in a scene at least 2 of them will have different accents from the others. And there's no rhyme or reason. Sometimes one brother has a German accent and the other British...Olaf doesn't care.

In the hands of a less capable special effects man, this easily would be nearly unwatchable. But as it stands it's quite watchable, especially for the aforementioned gorehounds. A 7 may be a bit of a stretch, but what can I say...I'm a tad biased towards the man's movies. Now if it could just have been as cool as "House Of Blood"...
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6/10
Another nasty from Ittenbach
Nagumo20012 October 2008
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It's hard to understand why people keep complaining about his works. They all follow a similar pattern. We get some pretense to story, and that all alludes to the eventual gore. Nothing wrong there, he is after a F/X guy at heart.

Yet I keep hearing how little gore there is in this film, when it is in fact quite bloody.

Take for instance this little clip from the film (WARNING, SPOILER for those that have not seen the film)- http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g166/porknotbacon/gard4.gif

It's a head explosion that rivals Maniac, Scanners, and The Prowler! And it is but one scene in a movie geared to F/X. Not a particularly gripping film. Yet it's not boring, and most certainly it has plenty of grue for the fans of splatter films.
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7/10
Silly yet entertaining
Sinister_Zombie24 May 2006
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I've watched some of Ittenbach's stuff before, and come to know them as entertainment, purely and simply. No strong story or anything, you can't really empathise with the characters, but the effects are impressive and its a way to kill a couple of hours.

Basically its the story of a girl who's family gets slaughtered when she's little and she barely survives but because of all the trauma etc. she can't remember a thing. Anyway, when she's older it starts coming back to her and the ghosts or spirits of her dead family come and tell her to lure their killers into the house. fairly simple, straight forward story with a few of the usual clichés, but as I mentioned before, the focus is on the gore effects.

Acting isn't the greatest, but that didn't bother me a great deal.

Gore is quite free-flowing, with a few impressive slaughter scenes in a variety of way - knives, machete's, hands, people getting dismembered, disembowelled, heads crushed, split open, drills and throats getting slit. Whew...quite a list, but there's quite a bit of it going on. Like I mentioned before, grab a few beers and just enjoy yourself really, don't take it seriously and you won't be disappointed. For a low budget gore flick, it does the job pretty well and people who're into this stuff I think will enjoy it.
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7/10
Very fun and gory Olaf outing.
ElijahCSkuggs9 February 2009
Okay, ask yourself if you enjoy gore. Are you okay with weak but humorous acting? Do you like silly writing? Once again ask yourself, if you enjoy gore. You do like gore? And funny acting and writing!? Well, alright, this movie's for you!

Once again, the master of brutal gore delivers another solid piece of super violent entertainment. This go around it surrounds a girl who's being haunted by her dead family. They want revenge and the only way they can achieve it is by this young lass to help out. There's more back-story, with some mystery involved, but that's basically the plot.

The story itself surprisingly was pretty fun. There were some lulls, but nothing that'll bore you so much that you'll shut it off or skip the scene. Regardless of a slow part here and there, the story was directed well, and with the awesome violence thrown in, it turned out to be a very fun Ittenbach flick. Definitely recommendable to gorehounds and fans of the Olaf.
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6/10
Strange German made gore film.
poolandrews27 March 2009
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Garden of Love starts late one night in a seemingly normal farm house, however when local police arrive there after a phone-call they discover several horribly mutilated murder victims & one survivor a young girl named Rebecca Verlaine (Anika Julien) who is found in a come. Twelve years later & Rebecca (Natacza Boon) comes out of her coma & is adopted by some relatives, at first Rebecca has no memory of the horrendous events that left her entire family dead but slowly she starts to remember & soon starts suffering from terrifying visions of mutilated ghostly people talking to her. Rebecca & her now husband David (Daryl Jackson) decide to revisit her childhood home to confront her demons, what Rebecca finds at her old home leads to betrayal & brutal murder...

Also known under the title The Haunting of Rebecca Verlaine in the US this German production was co-written & directed Olaf Ittenbach who was also responsible for the numerous gory special make-up effects which to fair are probably the highlight of the film. Not that it matters that much but first off I feel like I should mention the (proper) title Garden of Love (I can see why it was changed for US distribution) because I have absolutely no idea why Garden of Love is called Garden of Love, there are no garden's & there's not that much love either so why is this called Garden of Love exactly? Anyway, the film itself is notable for it's very gory set-pieces which are pretty impressive (no horrible CGI computer effects in sight) & that rather obvious fact that it was produced by German filmmakers in English for an English speaking audience & as such the barely legible broken English strange sounding dialogue gives Garden of Love a somewhat camp & surreal feel that I personally quite liked. I mean if the majority of the dialogue scenes in Garden of Love were written & shot properly it would probably make for an awfully dull film as the only thing of interest would be to see the next gore scene but with this slightly bizarre feel to it I found myself liking the whole thing. The first half of Garden of Love is a straight ghost story while the second half has a few twist's & changes direction & becomes a revenge story. I certainly didn't think it was dull & the strange uneven tone of the plot & the almost but not quite right sounding dialogue coupled with the cool gore scenes made for a fairly entertaining film, if not exactly for the right reasons.

As I have already mentioned the real highlight of Garden of the Dead is the gore, there's loads of it. From slashed throats to decapitations to exploding heads to ripped out guts to face ripped off to heads ripped in half to someone being pushed through a wire fence with gory results to stabbings to someone getting their eyes drilled out to gory shotgun wounds & loads more besides. This one really hits the spot if you know what I mean. There's also a very amusing scene in which the ghost's take over a TV commercial for kitchen knives & the announcer says that this knife will cut through bone & proceeds to grab his female assistants arm & chop her hand off as a gory demonstration! I also have to mention that there are no quick editing or shaky hand-held camcorder moments which is just great & even more reason why I like this. You know, you can actually see whats meant to be going on!

Although the film has that low budget made for video look about it the special effects are impressive & it has reasonable production values. The acting is very strange as obviously mostly German actors try to speak & act in English & it comes across as very stiff & awkward. Star Natacza Boon was actually born in England & even more bizarrely than anything in this film she had a documentary made about her by the BBC when she was 15 focusing on the fact that she apparently had the longest daily trip to school of anyone in the country as she travelled over 400 miles everyday to drama school (to end up in a film like this to, was it really worth it Natacza?) from when she was 12 until when she was 19.

Garden of Love is an odd film made by Germans in a language they obviously didn't quite understand (think Troll 2 (1990) which was made by Italians in English) & as a result it has some unintentional comedy moments to go along with the rather impressive gore scenes. I liked it, so sue me.
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7/10
A pleasant surprise from Olaf Ittenbach
Humdinger697 November 2013
As I write this review, I have seen three other movies from Olaf Ittenbach so far, Premutos, House of Blood, and The Burning Moon, none of which I was all that impressed with. Premutos was rather boring and tedious with the gore and comical dubbing being its only saving grace, House of Blood was pretty satisfying on gore levels but was overall rather stale, The Burning Moon I actually liked but it is pretty over-hyped as far as gore goes and I admit I gave it extra points for a certain sequence towards the end. Garden of Love on the other hand was a very pleasant surprise from Mr. Ittenbach.

Another problem I had with Premutos was how it tried to inject a complicated story, I appreciate the idea of combining story with splatter, but when I'm watching a splatter movie, I don't want to think, I want to sit back and enjoy the gore. This wasn't much of a problem here, the story was rather interesting and (mostly) kept my attention throughout. So much that I didn't mind withdrawals from gore, I wouldn't go so far as to say this would still be a good horror movie without the gore, though.

Speaking of gore, it may not be constant, but when it's there, it's great. Faces are torn off, intestines are pulled out, fists go through heads, it's really nice.

I do think knowing what to expect helped me enjoy the film a little bit more than I would have otherwise, but I would still recommend this one. I was rather impressed.

7.5/10
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6/10
Gorefest falls into the trap of trying to have a plot
andy_gza8 May 2010
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The beginning of this movie pricked my ears up as a weary gorehound, However ends in a cacophony of plot! What I mean is.... This movie is what happens when untalented writers try to create a reason for the bloodshed. The foreigners attempting to pretend they're English are pathetic but the splatter effects are worth viewing if you enjoyed bad taste and the like. Not bad for a low budget gore movie but when you are a little older and possibly require more to keep your attention this loses points. To be specific this worked better when nameless, faceless killers were brutally murdering innocent people. as soon as I guessed the psychologist was after the inheritance (Booo) I was done. I will watch another Olaf movie but he better keep bringing the splatter and try to keep away from the clever stuff, like..... words
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