Batman: Caped Crusader recently premiered to widespread acclaim and has quickly surpassed The Boys in streaming popularity on Amazon.

Fans have largely embraced the show. However, leading up to its release, the show faced several controversies that some fans labeled as “woke.” These included a race-swapped Harley Quinn, who is portrayed as Asian, and a gender-swapped Penguin.

The show’s creators, Bruce Timm and James Tucker, recently discussed the show’s development with ‘The Emmys.’ One of the standout topics was the decision to gender-swap the Penguin. The creators explained that this choice was largely driven by the need for more compelling female villains.

Timm: James and I were talking about the overview of the show, and we said, “One of the problems with Batman, as he is, is there’s a lack of good villains. You’ve got Catwoman, you’ve got Poison Ivy, you’ve got Harley Quinn.