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9/10
Inspired
user-246-79480920 March 2015
The movie fails to touch upon the racial dynamics, which is actually a quite important dimension of the topic. For some issues, such as fraternity, it was simply mentioned like a little bit, without going any further or deeper.

It's not perfect, but it's trying. Some people say that Fight Club is a movie that every man must watch, but I think this one might be more important for every man and woman to see. And it's not just men that live in a mask. Everyone is forced to put on a mask by all the pressure from the society, family, friends. Take off your mask. Help others take off theirs. The world would be a happier place.

I will definitely watch it again.
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9/10
Easily Related To
drohucimup20 January 2016
What does it mean to be a man, exactly? Why shouldn't boys cry? Why can't fathers share their emotions? Why are men allowed to communicate their anger towards others but not their love for their friends? Why are young men taught to view women as sexual conquests instead of people or friends?

Questions such as these lie at the heart of this documentary, which argues that our society's definition of masculinity is deeply flawed. This is done through a wide array of interviews and case studies. Though the film is clearly informed by feminist theory and an academic foundation, the case studies put a face on concepts and humanizes the ideas found in textbooks. It is an accessible and clear introduction to the fact that feminists care deeply about men's issues. I would strongly discourage people from avoiding the film simply because of this theoretical orientation, however.

I was able to easily relate to the narratives and case studies presented in the film. The process of socialization for boys is something I experienced first hand, and the film organizes things in an insightful and cogent way. Similarly, it does an excellent job of capturing when things begin to go off the rails. For instance, one of the experts that is interviewed notes that kindergarten boys are eager to talk and participate, while by sixth grade boys had become increasingly reticent. This reticence is, partly, because of an avoidance of being nerdy (weak, effeminate) in favor of projecting a tough "I don't care, none of this effects me" attitude. Example upon example is piled on to create a compelling diagnosis of a problem.

The primary issue of the film, or perhaps an area for future discussion or analysis, is that it does not explicitly broach how masculinity overlaps with race and class. It is portrayed, but not explicitly explored. There is some mention of how sexuality and masculinity are intrinsically connected, but those other axis of oppression are largely ignored. As a result the concept of masculinity used in this film might seem overgeneralized to viewers. Fortunately, the film wisely sticks to the most universal threads such as aggression, dominance, and control.

Just a final note: If you have read this film as attempting to demonize "maleness," you've missed the point. It's about the performance of manhood, which is a matter of gender, not sex. Gender is highly malleable and varies across cultures in a variety of ways, and this movie highlights the possibility for change towards a more open and loving form of masculinity in the future. That is a fantastic message and I would encourage any men who find themselves feeling defensive or threatened by the contents of this film to really question why they feel that way. There is an enormous opportunity for self- introspection and growth in this film.
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9/10
Must See Film
pinkflint31 October 2016
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The film, The Mask You Live In, demonstrates the difficulties that men face in society to fulfill the expectations associated with the idea of manhood. The film illustrates the pressure from parents and other adults to limit the expression of emotions because it is viewed as a weak and negative characteristic that is typically associated with girls. The mindset of constantly hiding emotions and portraying a sense of toughness, just to make sure one does not loose their manhood, can lead to bullying or depression because it psychologically affects boys and men. Additionally, media plays a significant role in pressuring the idea of manhood because it illustrates a limited view of what men should be. A significant amount of violence and porn can influence how men treat women in society simply to prove their manhood. I think the film does a great job at showing these ideas to the audience to help understand the mix messages society creates to define manhood, and the need to redefine the ideas and concepts of manhood.
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10/10
Loved by my masters class
sarofed18 June 2021
I assigned this film for a master's level ethnic conflict class. The vast majority of the (male & female, gay & straight, black, white, hispanic) appreciated how the film unpacked the pressure on men. We unconsciously buy into so many norms that serve so few people. This gave us a great way to talk about these issues.
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10/10
Incredibly eye-opening!
keenan-9158817 October 2016
This documentary is fantastic! As a woman, I never really considered this perspective. I never realized the struggles men face on a daily basis. I realize now how the mass media, marketing, and society put so much pressure on men. I'm very glad I saw this film and am much more understanding of what men go through. The statistics in this film were shocking to me. I had heard stories from male friends that these problems existed but so much of it is viewed as normal and swept under the rug. This film sheds light on how as a society we shame men into being what we think is easier to compartmentalize instead of giving them the social freedom they so much deserve. I don't think I would have watched this had it not been recommended to me, but I'm so thankful I did. I wish all parents would watch this so that their sons don't have to go through these hardships.
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7/10
my opnion
luanaacastro8 June 2020
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This documentary is very deep, I never really stopped to think like that and I never realized the struggles that men face every day and how much pressure men have on society, and how families and society contribute to a more aggressive masculinity, even without knowing or having that intention. The documentary is very informative, all the statistics in this film really shocked me, the documentary was able to handle these topics well, helping people to better understand this situation and how to help. The society is used to putting this standard on men and discriminating against those who are different, instead of helping and providing social freedom. If all parents and children watch this documentary, it would prevent and help children a lot not to go through these situations.
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8/10
Men talking about their experience
krisdmill1 August 2018
Really great film. Really enjoyed hearing hearing men talk about their experience of growing up. It made me question the way we talk to young people. I grew up a pushy girl with a sensitive brother and now I see why neither one of us could win.
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8/10
Interesting and well done documentary
sierratris17 December 2016
This documentary gave an interesting insight into the psychological concepts of masculinity, while presenting an interesting look into the concepts of why men act the way they do. It was even more interesting watching a documentary focused on boys and men, and the ways in which family and society contribute to aggressive masculinity. It gives a broader view to this issue by using a wide spectrum ranging from young boys to troubled young men to older criminals and male activists. I thought the documentary itself presented a very thorough view into the way in which males from a young age are constantly effected by outside sources to enhance their masculinity through aggression, sports, sexism, etc. to prove their own maleness. The documentary did this with emotion and humanity, using the many boys and men throughout to make this documentary stand out as something real while also speaking to the viewer. The documentary itself was very informative without ever getting boring, and dealt well with sensitive topics while helping the viewer feel that there is more to be done to help our boys and men.
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9/10
Sinopse and Movie Review
juliacaetano-2253417 June 2020
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The Mask You Live In is a documentary that shows the pressure of society placed on boys, where showing how strong is what matters most. In the documentary there are real reports of boys who have already been through a similar situation, and how they acted or were instructed to act. Phrases like "don't cry" or "be a man" are very common. The documentary also has the view and opinion of professionals in early childhood education, they explain that boys who are educated in this way, who hide feelings, become more closed and introverted men. And boys who share their feelings from an early age tend to be more understandable and open adults. It is a very interesting documentary even though it has a sad context, because it shows all the prejudice and the judgment of society about how boys or men should act, and express themselves, in case they keep feelings. I would recommend it to a friend who has communication skills so he has a notion that expressing himself is natural and necessary. -Júlia Caetano
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3/10
Starts out somewhat promising, quickly shows itself to be a Propaganda piece
joshuastewartp18 July 2016
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This starts out well enough, shedding some light on the fact that some people are raised in unstable environments, lack of father figure/abuse, which can have a very negative emotional/mental impact on growing boys. It also points out that bullying is a serious issue. These talking points should be explored further, as they are very fundamental to understanding how to help boys and men overcome detrimental upbringings.

Unfortunately, 5 minutes in, by declaring masculinity to be unnatural and inherently harmful, this film devolves into nothing but transparent propaganda. Manhood, being the catalyst for all of society's woes, is just the rejection of femininity, it asserts. In short, Feminine altogether good, masculine altogether bad. The documentary hammers this narrative from this point onward, so quickly turning from a noble and much welcomed exposition about childhood abuse and abandonment, along with it's outright negative effects of said children, into an incredibly condescending and nonsensical attempt to make masculinity out to be wholly damaging.

The film claims that masculinity is nothing but a social construct, designed to make boys and men afraid to speak, or to show emotion, which leads to lives of crime and violence. So never mind what proper science would have to say, only femininity exists, and we males who reject it are everything that is wrong with the world. Men and boys who come from broken homes and hostile environments are used to bolster the narrative that masculinity is indeed synonymous with hatred, violence, rape, murder... But this does not represent the vast majority of men, and I would bet that the vast majority of men have some masculine traits.

However, if it's proper statistical analysis and presentation, you may want to look somewhere else. The women who made this film claim that men and women are pretty much the same from a biological perspective, which you would once again have to disregard science as an effectual intellectual tool to believe such nonsense. Here's how they prove their claim. They draw two bell curve graphs side by side. The curves represent the overall positive/negative life experiences of pools of 50,000 men and 50,000 women, separately. The curves of both graphs are similar, as they obviously would be, as they are bell curves intended to present averages... Then they superimpose one on top of the other and... voila! Men and women are the same and everything they have said thus far is true. And they really expect you to believe this, with such preschool presentation and lack of any kind of logic or actual statistical analyses. Clichés and buzzwords are not evidence, either.

But people will believe them. Even when they use the 1 in 5 women are raped on campus stat, which has been proved to be entirely misleading. Just look it up. I would only urge you to think for yourselves. Even when they resurrect the decades old claim that video games and movies and toys are turning people into monsters... which has also been debunked time and time again throughout the years by honest research and proper statistical work, people will still believe them. Presenting lies in a tenderly manner does not make them truths.

There is just so much wrong here. Written directed and produced by women, unsurprisingly driven by feminism, this film is thoroughly erratic and lacks any kind of real evidence to support its claims about the nature of men.

As a young man who has always struggled with depression and father abandonment issues, I cannot recommend this film to those wanting to learn anything true or useful. In fact I find it deplorable that the women behind this get to so passively pretend like they are helping anyone, when they have to use misleading and outright false claims/statistics to lend their ideology any credence, at the expense of those who are suffering from mental illness no less. If this is all that can be offered to help those afflicted, then I'm afraid we've gained no ground on the subject of mental illness in boys and men. Although, I really do not believe that the point of this intended to really help anyone.

Those of you who already buy into today's feminist theories/talking points... well i'm sure that you will love it as it will reinforce your incredibly biased and skewed, one-sided perspective of the world. Coming from those who would use fear and misrepresentation to persuade others, whether done consciously or not, I find it incredibly ironic for the film to begin with a quote (half of one anyway) from George Orwell. So I will end my review with a better application.

"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink." - George Orwell
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10/10
Excellent film!
markferreirapsyd19 June 2023
As a male born and raised in America, I really appreciate this film and its message!

It saddens me to read the negative reviews. So many people prefer to keep their "blinders" on and fail to appreciate scientific research. Some people are even labeling it as "anti-male" which is FAR from the TRUTH---this film promotes HEALTHY masculinity (beneficial to males)!

For those of you stating that the film argues American masculinity is the "ROOT CAUSE" of most of modern society's problems, you are INCORRECT! Stop thinking so dichotomously! The film illustrates how it is a CONTRIBUTING FACTOR to the issues mentioned...NOT the sole reason.

Note: Parents should watch PRIOR to showing their kids because there are a few sensitive topics (e.g., porn, mass shootings, rape)
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5/10
Starts okay, goes superficial pretty quick.
badoli13 August 2017
The documentary raises some valid points, but ends up very superficial. The downfall starts with blaming of superheroes and video games. The old stereotypes from the brainwashed boy are popping up, that are refuted in a lot of studies. Sure, media has influence, but the "how" and the "how much" only implied. The study it presents is from the 70ies and 80ies and hardly representative of the present state of psychology.

As such it feels the movie pushes a narrative. Some of the interviewed people offer only anecdotal reference and some just lack any credentials for the issues they discuss. At times it feels weirdly constructed, as with the vilification of porn segment. Even Philip Zimbardo only conjures the old outsider-stereotype and an extremely bold statement like "violance against women is at epidemic proportions" is not supported by any historical figures. Questionable feminist terms like "rape culture", "entitlement" and "privilege" are thrown around.

The main topic of this film is very important and current and at times it seems the film is highlighting the right issues. But ultimately it looses itself in general attack on anything that it perceives masculine. I wish it was more subtle in the approach and better researched and balanced.
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1/10
Informed only through narrow feminist ideology
cgiaccone25 September 2016
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This infomercial, I refuse to call it a documentary, is extremely creative in its deceptiveness. Besides being entirely inspired through the narrow, uncritical lens of feminist theory, this production never admits this. It has been specifically designed to groom the viewer into feminist ideology. I could not be more offended about the hypocrisy of this production. Imagine for just a moment, an all male production in the modern age, told through some narrow male ideology, defining female problems, explaining the lived female experience, providing contrived statistics produced through this narrow male ideology and proscribing the solutions to these female problems. I can only imagine the outrage. I can't even count the number of times that in feminist circles it has been stated unequivocally that men cannot understand female experience and that it is misogynist to even try...clearly double standards are perfectly fine as long as they benefit women. The anecdotes and the problems men experience are all real, it is the explanations for those problems that are either lacking or outright deceptive. Women's role in men's problems is completely ignored. Single mother households, something that is completely ignored (they are called single parent families...would not want to bring attention to the fact that 90% of single parent families are led by a mother...such a distraction to feminists...) in the program, is a massive factor in most of the statistics offered...suicide, school drop outs, criminal activity... It's a massive omission...and the "other" single parent families, those led by a father, do not experience these problems on anything like the same scale...both sons and daughters do much better in a father led single parent family than in one led by a mother...almost as well as intact two parent families in fact. Apparently that was not worth mentioning to the producers of this program. This is not at all surprising because if you know anything about feminist ideology, you would know that the ideology has serious problems with marriage...as in I am fairly confident that good feminists would like to see it abolished.

If the above is not convincing enough, now we have to turn to the bogus statistics and crisis language that is used in the program, in particular, in regards to rape. A huge flag went up when the narrative promoted the idea of "rape culture". I am kind of surprised that this program went there. The producers had kept their agenda on such a subliminal level for the most part up to that point. The idea that we live in a "rape culture" has always been a huge stretch. Everyone, and I do mean everyone...at least in this country, is aware that rape is highly illegal. In prison, even among the concentration of violent criminals found there, rapists are at the bottom of the food chain. Everyone knows that. Even RAINN, the largest and most important anti-rape organizations had this to say about "rape culture"...and I quote "Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime." Feminists, of course, denounced this judgment but this does not alter the fact that feminists were happily quoting the statistics of the organization for many years before this apostasy. Feminists didn't realize that RAINN was interested in facts, not ideology. The other false statistic is THAT 1 in 5 women are sexually assaulted on campus...what the program does not bother to tell you is that the study was done at only two universities, was done online, and suffered from a high non-response bias...super misleading. It is not to say that sexual assault is not a serious problem, it is. It's just not a crisis or an epidemic. The truth is that women have never been safer from violence, sexual or otherwise, in western societies now than at any point in human history...but, you see, that doesn't fit the feminist narrative, so it is omitted.

In conclusion, I am both very disappointed, because men do experience a long litany of problems and they are rarely discussed, and offended...the producers didn't even feel the need to include a token male in the production when all of them would have been deeply offended at the reverse. I can't imagine that they couldn't have thought about and discussed that. Is it possible that they are so blinded by their ideology that they couldn't see the double standard? It beggars the imagination. I just wish that the resources that were used in creating this deceptive piece of indoctrination and feminist ideological grooming could have been used for another purpose, mainly the solutions to the many problems that men face. What a waste of time and resources.
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3/10
Some salient points, some propaganda.
korpake10 June 2016
I'll start with saying I understand the motivation behind making this film. I think there needs to be much more discussion about these sorts of issues. There is a lot of social dysfunction in the world and men suffer the consequences and are a big part of the causes of this dysfunction. But so are women and they don't feature at all in this film, like they are just spectators or victims and not active participants. They had lots of guys sharing their experiences and that's nice and its important to tell those stories, but I consider myself an average guy and I never had any of these issues. I don't see myself or any of my friends in this film. It's like they missed out whole sections of society Because I can't see myself in the film I draw the conclusion that this film isn't relevant to me or the people I know. This perception may not be correct, but that's the way I see it.

I thought in some respects this was a really silly and annoying film. It started by suggesting that masculinity is bad and not real because it's just a distortion or absence of femininity (like how darkness is absence of light and not "a real thing"). That put me off right from the start. I hoped it would get better but it didn't.

Having just watched it, I can't actually recall many facts that were relevant. Mostly how boys/men are bad and bad things happen to them and how they perform worse than girls etc. Plus just lots of random people spouting their opinions without much justification. We are supposed to just take "experts" opinions as facts. This annoyed me even more. People can't seem to tell the difference between facts and opinion and there is no credible contrarian view when appropriate, so this is just a big propaganda piece (some parts). This film doesn't use facts of logic, it uses emotional appeal, manipulation and biased opinions. Nothing wrong with that as long as people are aware.

Then they say insanely stupid stuff like: "boys can't tell the difference between reality and video games." That really got me mad. I run around lopping off people's heads with light sabers, but that doesn't influence me in real life in the slightest.

I thought it was a bit rich that a film about men and masculinity was directed and produced entirely by women. Imagine a film entirely directed and produced by men, about femininity, telling women they need to do this and that. I'm not saying you can't do that, it just doesn't carry as much weight for me. Plus I guess its OK if you buy into the narrative that men and women are all the same (which I don't).

I did like the last 5min though. Generally a good summary that gets some key points across.

I wanted to like this film, but if I were to summarize the message of the film, it would be: "Men are bad and need to be more like women and just accept that as fact because we said so."

I gave it a 3 because I didn't like the film, but I didn't hate it enough to give it a worse rating. It is a topic that needs more discussion, just not like this.
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5/10
the documnetary is good but change focus on something and after change
aliceilha17 June 2020
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Okay so i like how the documentary use real experience from boys and mens to show us and this documentary help the viewers how youn can help someone in this situaion, and the documentary gave a psychological vision why man act the way they do and they did the documentary whit humanity and emotion and show many informations without getting bored and i only dont likethe form that they go really fast in some of the topics
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3/10
Missed a golden opportunity
adrianshaw19 March 2015
Such an important topic, namely trying to get to the route of masculinity to understand more fully why good boys oft turn into bad men ... and maybe, what we as a society, can do about this. But this documentary misses the mark, and turns out to be a confused, meandering, expose using irrelevant shock stats, several dubious commentators (and several excellent ones) and sadistic raw footage to villanise the male. The finger of blame is pointed at fathers, schoolyard bullies, schools, social hierarchy, TV, Hollywood movies, Internet Porn, Video Games, sport culture and rap. The message is that male dominance is endemic and pervasive, resulting in a small percentage of sensitive male teens become alienated, depressed, violent and possibly suicidal and *all* women being at risk of rape, violence and abuse. The female aspect needs exploration in a separate documentary, and to confuse the two in a documentary that masquerades as a factual narrative explaining the modern-male psyche is a big miss.
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1/10
Hatefulness dressed up as concern.
jaxeed7 September 2016
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Incredibly condescending, misleading and even the core premise is entirely false. The term "be a man" does not refer to not being a woman, as these documentary makers just asserts. This is an entirely constructed dichotomy they've invented in order to justify the pathologicalization of male identity that constitutes this entire film. Being a man is as opposed to being a child. Has nothing to do with femininity. It refers to behaving like an adult, accepting responsibility, not throwing emotional fits, dealing with problems instead of just complaining etc. These filmmakers try to assert the term leads to emotional trauma in boys, because it supposedly disallows femininity. This piece of nonsense put to film even tries to suggest that masculinity is unnatural, while femininity is the gold standard to which boys should strive. They even go so far as suggesting all the worlds ills are due to masculinity, which is both extremely narrow minded and reeks of feminist fanaticism. They correctly identify problems like broken homes and bullying as emotional tolls on boys, but then they pretty much blame the boys for their own emotional suffering. Apparently because they are not dealing with emotional stress the way girls do, which allegedly is the magic solution to everything.

These ideologues evidently subscribe to the scientifically thoroughly debunked idea of gender as a social construct, and thereby the boys woes are due to their blank pages being filled with the wrong programming. There is so much this documentary could have tackled, but instead its a mess of politically charged preaching of feminist rhetoric. Faking a concern for the well being of boys in order to demonize masculine behaviors as a sickness in need of a cure. No words describing positive attributes typically associated with masculinity are ever mentioned, and this narrow focus on negative traits most of which aren't even gendered, shows how this film indeed comes from a place of gender supremacy. This misandric psychobabble spares no sophistry to posit masculinity as an overarching problem. Obviously they flat out ignore the common acceptance of female on male violence, because that would ruin their shallow narrative. Of course they will not tackle violent mothers, despite this being the most common violence children experience at home. Girls favoritism influencing boys behavior is apparently not a thing. Never mind that, as these boys are merely not being human correctly.

This is just another piece of propaganda doing nothing to challenge preconceived notions or explore unknown territory. It only exist to further strengthen the prejudices its obsessive creators deem righteous, no more challenging to the mind then flatulence. If what this film proclaims had any root in reality as opposed to radical feminist mythology and an extreme form of confirmation bias, then a hypothetical society without men would necessarily be a utopia. So unless you are a true believing feminist disciple lacking independent critical thought, you will find this film infuriatingly ignorant in its disingenuous approach to a serious topic. In fewer words this film can be described as hatefulness dressed up as concern. Truly sickening.

P.S.: Other reviewers seem to suffer from the misapprehension that giving this film a bad review somehow proves something about the reviewer. These are mere typical feminist shaming tactics and it is quite remarkable to observe how predictably and mindlessly these are still employed. You should apparently just listen and believe without question, because scrutiny and skepticism are the biggest enemies of dogma. This is an acceptable ideal only if you are a mindless follower. Think about that.
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1/10
Did they even interview a man????
LovinMoviesMakinGames6 October 2017
Factual or even relevant content is replaced with piano music and hyperbole mixed with contrived nonsense from people who know nothing of the male experience. There are so many factors in modern society affecting men. The ridiculous attack on masculinity mixed in with, well very mixed expectations of men, constant accusations and assumptions that every man is either a rapist, child molester, soon to be violent offender, ... the lack of any support or even respect for single fathers. The 9:1 ratio of men to women in prison and bias there... this documentary fails on every level starting with integrity and ending with any relevant content.
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2/10
Important topic poorly addressed
pkeys-482728 October 2016
Hard to believe these women couldn't find a man (other than the severely traumatized or psychiatrists in it) to work on this. If they had, they might have better addressed the enormous role women play in this problem. The vast majority of women encourage this wounded alpha male behavior. Its what I tell my 14 year old son- you'll get those women who pathologize boyhood, like the filmmakers and most every female teacher he's ever had (anyone notice the dearth of positive female educators in this film?), or they are going to get the "I want a bad boy" from most young women. I tell him to just be decent, humble you, and sooner or later you'll find the minority of decent women out there. Take a look at online dating profiles of women. What's the two characteristic almost every woman asks for? "You have to be confident and make me laugh all the time." They don't want a real person. They don't know what to do with them when they find one. Full time confidence and weakness and vulnerability don't jibe, my dears.
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1/10
Has a point, until it changes the topic to something different the first time.
tardisdoctor-345771 November 2019
This documentary, has a lot of problems. First being that the first 5 or 8 minutes is the only good part of this documentary with any actual meat to its argument. The rest of the time is then spent on using feminist terms to say that almost every man watches porn and because of that they beat their girl friend or wife then, blaming characters from pop culture and people who play video games. Not only that it attacks college students in fraternities, saying that every single fraternity is some kind of criminal ring. This documentary has clear confirmation bias written all over it and I do not recommend it for anyone.
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4/10
Some good, Mostly Feminist Propaganda
bbshopbari13 September 2018
Started out very promising. A few good moments, but riddled with sweeping generalizations about men, and a demonization of everything masculine.

This doc, misses a HUGE opportunity to help young men. Telling them to be less of a man, and more emotional simply isn't the solution.
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1/10
WHY?! JUST WHY?!?
niteip27 June 2019
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WELL SOMEONE HAS TO "MEN UP"... IF YOU WANT TO ACT LIKE A CHILD IS YOUR CHOICE..
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5/10
start good, but its really fast
aliceilha17 June 2020
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So bassicaly show me many things that i didn't realize the man pass, the documentary show this whit humanity experiences and psychological concepts of masculinity. Focus on a men watching this is more interesting, and how a family and the society contribute for the mens comportament, they think that to prove you maleness you can't cry, can't show you fellings, have to pratice sports, sow us the agression of te man and sexism. the fact that they used adults and boys experience makes more interesting, and the documentary show a lot of information and you don't get bored while watching and i wish this documentary help the viewers that you can do more to help bos who are passing for that alone
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