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8/10
Dawn tries to raise the dead... Which is never a good idea
katierose2951 September 2006
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This isn't the most important episode of the season. But it does introduce and clarify some things for later in show. (1) Raising the dead is against the codes of wicca magic. (2) That Doc guy knows a lot. This episode also brings Angel back to town, which is always a good thing. You could skip "Forver" and not miss much story wise, but it's still worth a look.

"Forever" revolves around Joyce's funeral. Dawn is becoming more and more sullen as Buffy and the Scoobies plan the service. She can't deal with the loss of her mother. After the funeral, Dawn asks Willow and Tara to help her bring Joyce back. Tara is horrified and tells Dawn that witches don't do things like that. It violates their codes. Willow feels bad for Dawn, though, and gives her a book that will give her information on the history of witchcraft. Meanwhile, Angel comes back to town to support Buffy. And Giles' sits alone playing to the song that he and Joyce listened to in season three's "Band Candy." (In my opinion, Giles' 15 second scene just steals the whole episode.) And at the hospital, Ben accidentally tells one of Glory's minions that the key is in human form.

Dawn begins investigating her spell. She steals from the Magic Shop and starts getting the ingredients she'll need. For instance, dirt from her mother's grave. Spike sees her. (I guess he was at Joyce's grave to pay his respects, since he'd been turned away from the house by Xander earlier in the episode.) In any case, he agrees to help Dawn get her mother back. They go to a demon guy, Doc, for more advice. He tells them that they can bring Joyce back, but there's no guarantees that she'll be "right." Dawn says that she doesn't care. After stealing a demon egg, Spike and Dawn split up. She preforms her spell just as Buffy comes home. Buffy is horrified and she and Dawn argue. But when "Joyce" knocks on the door, Buffy forgets about her earlier complaints. She rushes towards the door willing to accept any kind of mother she can get. Dawn, finally seeing how wrong she's been, stops the spell. Buffy and Dawn collapse in each arms crying and really mourning their mother for the first time.

At first, I didn't know why Spike and Willow helped Dawn in this episode. Anytime someone's trying to raise the dead in good old SunnyD, you should probably anticipate badness. Plus, it's Dawn. Not to pick on her, but seriously, has the girl EVER come up with a good idea? After seeing seasons six and seven, though, I have a better understanding of Willow and Spike's actions. Willow is starting to move beyond the recognized rules of magic. As she become more powerful, she thinks that she can push boundaries. In fact, she's not even SEEING the boundaries anymore. She thinks that she can control whatever happens. Plus, in helping Dawn she's taking the easy way out of the argument. In season six, choosing short cuts over real work and emotional effort will land Willow in hot water. This episode is one of the first examples of her confronting a difficult situation, in this case Dawn's anger and grief, with the easiest solution she can think of. I don't think that she intended for anything bad to happen. She just wanted give Dawn something to ease her pain, whether it was good for her or not.

As for Spike, if anyone in the Buffyverse should know that this is a bad idea it's him. His own experiences with his mother (Which will explored in season seven's "Lies My Parents Told Me,") his repeated insistence that magic always carries a price, his knowledge that Buffy wouldn't want her little sis bringing back their mother as a zombie... All of this SHOULD be cluing him in on the possible problems with this plan. So why does he help Dawn? He says that he just doesn't like to see Summers' women "taking it on the chin," but I think it goes deeper than that. He's always liked Joyce, has seen her a maternal figure. In bringing Joyce back, it's almost like he's trying to fix the mistakes of his past. To try again to save his own mother. It's completely illogical, but it's as if a part of him is hoping that in helping Dawn, he'll be helping himself.

On the down side, I sort of wish that Buffy and Dawn had opened the door before ending the spell. Just to check to see if Joyce really had come back. Also, couldn't we have had a scene with Spike and Angel?

My favorite part of the episode: Angel coming back to town for Joyce's funeral. It's not like he doesn't have his own problems out in LA. But he still came to support Buffy... **sigh** How can you not love him?
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9/10
The story where I fell in love with Dawn
Joxerlives20 April 2012
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The Good; Angel's back, hooray. The final scene where Buffy and Dawn collapse into each other's arms is my favourite scene in the whole of Buffy.

The Bad; Dawn stealing the eggs, the Ghora demon just looks lame.

Best line; Dawn (catching a sobbing Buffy who breaks down in her arms); "It's OK, okkaaayyyyy!"

Jeez!; Doc is far more human that many of the demons the gang face and ALL the scarier for it. Like Mayor Wilkins, Doc is a tribute to the skill of an actor in the role. Am I the only one who finds Willow's idea of making a stuffed animal dance extremely sinister? Buffy slaps Dawnie but in fairness she has every right to.

Kinky dinky; Glory refers to Jinx as her 'Robed stud'. Willow likens Tara's fried eggs to 'little boobs'. Anya and Xander have sex, Anya hinting to a terrified Xander she eventually wants children.

Captain Subtext; Note that Buffy never hugs Dawn after Joyce dies, not even at the graveside, can't even bare to look her in the face. (both girls sitting alone in their bedrooms) Can't stand to see her mother's eyes looking back at her? It's only in the last scene that the sisters finally find each other and it's all too wonderful. Spike (who was noticeably absent in The Body) brings flowers for Joyce whom he professes his fondness for (in Lies My Parents Told Me we discover why). Buffy says she wants Angel to stay on in Sunnydale for all time which must give Bangler's reassurance.

Apocalypses; 5,

Scoobies in bondage: Buffy: 8 Giles: 4 Cordy: 5 Will: 3 Jenny: 1 Angel: 4 Oz: 1 Faith: 3 Joyce: 1 Wes: 1 Xander; 1 Dawn; 1

Scoobies knocked out: Buffy: 16 Giles: 10 Cordy: 6 Xander: 8 Will: 5 Jenny: 2 Angel: 6 Oz: 3 Faith: 1 Joyce: 3 Wes: 1 Anya;1

Kills: Buffy: 95 vamps, 32 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot Giles: 5 vamps, 1 demon Cordy: 3 vamps, a demon Will: 6 vamps Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans Xander: 5 vamps, 2 zombies, a demon, a demon Anya: a demon Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons

Scoobies go evil: Giles: 1 Cordy: 1 Will: 2 Jenny: 1 Angel: 1 Oz: 1 Joyce: 1 Xander: 3

Alternate scoobies: Buffy: 6 Giles: 3 Cordy: 1 Will: 2 Jenny: 2 Angel: 3 Oz: 2 Joyce: 2 Xander: 3

Recurring characters killed: 10 Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce

Sunnydale deaths; 89;

Total number of scoobies: 6 Giles, Xander, Willow, Buffy, Anya, Tara,

Xander demon magnet: 5(6?) Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

Scoobies shot: Giles: 2 Angel: 3 Oz: 4 Riley; 1

Notches on Scooby bedpost: Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes? Cordy: 1? Buffy: 3 confirmed; Angel, Parker,Riley, 1 possible, Dracula(?) Angel: 1;Buffy Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?) Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley Xander: 2; Faith, Anya Willow: 2;Oz and Tara Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and unnamed vampwhore

Questions and observations; Willow's helping of Dawn foretells her abuse of magic in later seasons. A lot of people blame Dawn for trying to resurrect Joyce but just imagine you're 14 year old girl and the mother you love more than anything has died. If there was the slightest chance you could bring her back, wouldn't you? Wouldn't anyone? Angel comes to Sunnydale for the funeral. Do Wes and Cordy come? Oz? Do they tell Faith? She doesn't mention Joyce when she turns up in season 7 but maybe Buffy posts her a letter? Nice mislead with Buffy and the coffins, you think she's vamphunting at first. Dawn in pigtails to make her look even younger. The album Giles is listening to is the same one he listened to with Joyce in Band Candy.

For the record the scariest monster we never see is the THING that crosses past the window and knocks on the door of the Summer's house. And Buffy goes 'Mommy' and runs to the door because she'd give the world to have Joyce back. And Dawn becomes the grown up and rips up the photo so she opens the door to nothing. And the Summer's girls collapse into each other's arms because (to paraphrase Ally McBeal) Joyce is dead, they loved her and she died and she's going to be dead forever. But they'll always have each other, she lives on through her deeds and her daughters. Angelus in Passion referred to 'The ecstasy of grief'. Here we see it in all it's glory. And in many ways Buffy needs Dawn a lot more than Dawn needs Buffy, Buffy doesn't ask who's going to take care of Dawn, she asks who's going to take care of 'us'. And the answer is from now on they take care of each other.

Marks out of 10; 9/10, would be 10/10 except for the stupid looking demon.
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8/10
Dawn of the Dead
claudio_carvalho12 October 2007
Buffy organizes the funeral services for Joyce without a wake, respecting her last will, and after the service she meets Angel, who has come to Sunnydale to support her. Meanwhile Dawn becomes obsessed in bringing her mother back. She steals infamous witchcraft books from Willow and from the Magic Box, and helped by Spike, they visit the demon Doc, an expert in black magic that teaches Dawn resurrection techniques. She steals a Ghora demon egg in the Hell Mouth with Spike for her black magic, and she interrupts her spell after a serious conversation with Buffy. Meanwhile Ben unintentionally discloses to Jinx that The Key is an innocent in a human form.

"Forever" is a great episode of this Season. The relationship between the siblings Ben and Glory is finally disclosed; Buffy realizes that she must remain close to Dawn to keep their family together; and Glory now knows that the key is a human being. I do not understand why the insecure Willow helped the annoying Dawn in this episode. The presence of Spike at Joyce's grave indicates that he really liked her a lot. My vote is eight.

Title (Brazil): "Para Sempre" ("Forever")
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10/10
One of the finest hours of television ever
drago-jelisic22 August 2008
Becoming part 2, was only the beginning of heartbreaking Buffy the Vampire Slayer episodes.

I have waited so much for The Body episode and I was astonished, but not as much as the rest of the IMDb viewers. The Body which got a higher grade than Forever, is a bit understandable, but not completely.

Still Forever is not a episode for every watcher, it's heartbreaking, mournful and gives you guilt. When I watched it I could not laugh to Americas Funnies Homevideos (AFV) and that is actually rare(!) It's different from the other episodes, because there is just a minute or two of violence. But in the end you forget about it, you just want to be with Buffy and hug her and lie and tell her that everything is going to be fine, when she falls down to the floor, broken-hearted.

An unforgettable episode in TV history...
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8/10
The next day
ossie8519 August 2022
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After Joyce's funeral, Angel comes back to Sunnydale to comfort Buffy. Dawn asks Willow and Tara if it is possible to bring Joyce back to life, then she steals books from the Magic Box. Spike teams up with Dawn and meet Doc who tells them how to bring Joyce back to life.

Why It's So Good - Sadness doesn't last the one episode. When death happens, their is shock, but there is also routine. There are things to do and organise. But once that part is over, the world goes on, even if you aren't ready. This is what the episode shows, and does it very well.

Watch Out For - Spike giving flowers.

Quote - "Yeah. I actually might stop by your mom's too. Well, I'm not going to my place. Those people are scary." - Xander talking to Willow.
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Mommy?
Realrockerhalloween25 September 2016
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Forever deals with Buffy getting the funeral in order while trying to stay connected to reality. Dawn organizes a plan to resurrect her mother with terrifying consequences. What makes it better then the body in my opinion is it really shows the heartbroken family and friends left behind as they mourn the dead. Buffy tries to keep it together for her sister, but can't come to terms with the passing herself while Dawn tries to fill the sadness with a dream of her mother returning and being a happy family again. When they both have the big fight it felt for the first time they were actual sisters that cared and opened up for one another. It was the best acting both actresses have ever done as they tug at the heart strings feeling the loss with them and making you wish Joyce was really at the door.

Another aspect I felt compelled to was Spike helping Dawn, striking similarities, as they both wanted to save their mother from death's door and getting back the shell of their former selves. Spike loved the last wanting it to be different and 62nd the suffering for both women in his lives. So much horror and emotions are swept up in this episode that it leaves you numb and appreciate those still with you now since tomorrow they could be gone.
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6/10
Coping Mechanisms
Samuel-Shovel11 February 2018
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In "Forever", Buffy and Dawn cope with the sudden loss of their mother: Buffy by dealing with the funeral and financial preparations, Dawn by attempting to resurrect Joyce with the help of Spike and a local "Doc" whose an expert on the subject. The rest of the cast deals with Joyce's death in their own unique ways. Angel makes a brief appearance to give his condolences. Ben accidentally lets it slip to Jinx that the Key has taken a corporeal form and attempts to murder Jinx so he can't blab to Glory. This plot fails and Glory is now on the hunt for the human key. Buffy and Dawn both come to terms with their mother's death and reverse the zombie spell before interacting with Joyce at all.

This was really a Dawn & Spike featured episode. That chip in Spike's brain must be rewiring him because now he's being a Good Samaritan just for the sake of it, doing "good" deeds behind Buffy's back.

The final confrontation scene between Buffy and Dawn was powerful but a bit unwarranted. We didn't really have much evidence of a falling out between the two before this scene. Heck, Joyce only died last episode. So the entire arc of this episode's plot feels rushed. This is an emotional payload that should have occurred over a period of at least a few episodes, not just one. Because of this, this episode does not live up to its potential.
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6/10
Average at best
fortean225 October 2009
A fairly poor episode after the excellent 'The Body', some pretty mediocre writing and direction by Marti Noxon.

Also obviously influenced by the short fictional story "The Monkey's Paw" by W. W. Jacobs (and that was a far better story too).

A pity that such brilliance and sensitive writing and direction (by Joss Whedon) as exhibited in 'The Body' is then decimated by this episode's nonsense.

I guess Noxon simply doesn't have Whedon's personal experiences to call upon when dealing with grief, or perhaps she is just a poor writer of such things.

6/10
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3/10
Dawn is horrible
charleswx-4312717 March 2024
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Realitycheck4you was right on point. Dawn is a horrible character and takes away from every episode that includes her. She whines about everything, she acts likes she's 8 years old, and she's more spoiled and bratty than any child on any show ever. I know that they need someone vulnerable and immature to hide "the key", but, an infant would be more mature than Dawn is. Buffy and the gang spend more time fixing Dawn's mistakes or saving her from herself than they do actually battling vampires and demons. They should have renamed this show to "Buffy the Irritating Annoying Little Sister Protector". Or, they could have went with "Dawn the Common Sense Slayer". Less of Dawn will translate to more of a good show.
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7/10
The One With The Funeral...
taylorkingston20 November 2015
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I like this episode, but I will never love it. And that is mainly because they killed off Joyce, which brought the series to a new theme, of Buffy having to be Dawn's guardian, but I loved Joyce, and I was sad that they actually killed her.

In this episode, Buffy has to organize funeral services, for her late Mother, Joyce. Angel unexpectedly comes into town to support Buffy. Meanwhile, Dawn is very upset, understandably, and finds a book at Willow, and Tara's dorm room, and with the help of Spike, she tries to bring her Mother back to life.

Worst part of the episode: The fact that Joyce is actually dead.

Overall, I give this episode 7 out of 10, which in my ratings book is: Great.
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7/10
Does effectively what The Body failed at doing...
m-478261 July 2021
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The switch between drama and soap opera is pretty obvious this season. Everything is serialized, there are few fillers and monsters of the week. And the tone is a bit off at times. I was Made to Love You, is a fine filler episode. It introduced one of next season's villains, and it's a fun watch, with everything we love about the show. Then The Body happens... We get it, natural death is sad and finale. But did it really have to be like a bad foreign film?? Forever, is the aftermath, or the episode you can decide to pick instead. As it's also about Joyce's death, and how characters face this big change in their lives... And you also have Buffy and Angel reunited, which is always worth mentioning. It is less whiny than The Body, and when it's not, it is done right. I know, because the ending scene still gets me, as well as Tough Love's. I guess I'm not someone you can move on cue...
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1/10
Dawn ruins any episode she's in
realitycheck4you31 October 2020
Dawn is the worst character added to a TV series ever. She completely ruined Buffy. Every episode with her is completely intolerable. Spike is the only reason to continue watching. Dawn is annoying, a tremendously bad actress, and a pointless character. No, I do not wish to see a little bratty girl and then cut to a sex scene with two other characters. I do not wish to think about annoying children and then 2 seconds later see a sexy scene. Stop trying to make Buffy a freaking family show mixed with a hot young adult show. It was great when it was just fun and sexy. ADDING A CHILD RUINS THE SEXY. Gross gross gross. I hate dawn. Rant over.
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4/10
Forever. Unfortunately.
skay_baltimore31 July 2010
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Forever picks up the ball -- or rather -- continues to drop it, just like in "The Body". More needless melodrama; more false sentimentality from Dawn towards the dead woman named Joyce; more Buffy-Angle nostalgia; more nasal congested yammering Willow; more Xander The Boy Wonder Pup drivel -- proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt what happens when more equals less. Much much less.

At least the ambiguous connection between Ben and Glory is somewhat touched upon, for whatever that's worth. (Ben is the "mortal prison" for Glory) It's like that old Dr. Pepper commercial..."I'm a god, he's a god, she's a god, we're a god...wouldn't you like to be a god too?" And Ben stabs Jinx to keep him from telling Glory that The Key is an "innocent" (person) -- then doesn't bother to check to see if Jinx is actually dead? Not to mix metaphors...but George Burns was a much better god than Ben.

And the whole charade with the Ghora demon? Repeat after me now kiddies...C...H...E...E...S...Y!!!

Best line? Dawn to Spike: "This place belongs to a magic guy? Smells like grandpa."
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1/10
Such disrespect to 'The Body'
matthewgkeehan26 October 2022
After the stunning and powerful previous episode we get this?

What a total disrespect to Joyce and to the writing and direction and acting of 'The Body.' Marti Noxon comes up with some of the worst dialogue and plots.

Why would Spike help after his beautiful sign of respect for Joyce earlier in the episode?

Why would Willow lead Dawn to the book knowing her vulnerable state?

I suppose it does set things up for Season 6..

Dawn is the worst thing to have happened to Buffy and it's such a shame this episode comes directly after 'The Body.' If it was later in the season, maybe I'd think different.
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