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8/10
Battlestar Galactica
Scarecrow-8823 July 2018
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That the cylons are not treated as just robot toasters, developed with far more complexity in the re-envisioning, episodes like "Flesh and Bone" give us all the necessary essentials to come away quite well pleased. Because another Leoben Conoy (Callum Keith Rennie) model is found on one of the Colonial ships, Commander Adama sends Starbuck to interrogate "it" (Adama does not want to refer to Leoben as "him" or "he"), when President Roslin demands "to hear what he has to say" instead of just destroying the cylon immediately. This is once again an example of how Roslin has the direct authority to undermine Adama's direct order to just carry out what he so desires. A dream about Conoy is what inspires Roslin to initiate the interrogation, the catalyst in what ultimately results in Starbuck's use of torture techniques (obviously a creative decision by the writing team to address these tactics used to get information in real life) to try and secure the location of a supposed warhead planted on one of the ships. Adama tries to prepare Starbuck for Leoben's attempts to "get inside her head" and use "half-baked philosophy and mumbo jumbo", while Roslin continues to see him/it in her dreams. Roslin is often contending with her Cancer pain by overmedicating (her doc telling her that she could end up in a coma), believing there is something to Leoben's presence. Meanwhile he makes some personal statements to Starbuck about her upbringing and how it has molded her into someone who believes she deserves pain, while she tries to use whatever methods are available to get the location of the warhead (like physical violence and head-dunking into a bucket of water). Starbuck's past revealed a bit to us gives us an understanding of what baggage she carries even as she tries to remain tough and guarded about it. Her use of torture (hours that don't get an answer, with Roslin arriving, giving him humane treatment that ultimately gets results) fails but discussion on God and fear of the "soul leaving the body" seems to indicate the cylons are evolving, considering spiritual matters beyond the "execute their creators for their sin". Leoben proves he could just kill Starbuck if he so chooses, pressing her up against a wall with a firm grip around her throat. It is almost a dance of mind games as Leoben uses this interrogation to introduce and stir dialogue with Starbuck, asserting that she is so much more than a Viper pilot/instructor/interrogator. This dialogue certainly raises Starbucks mystique as well as adds intrigue to the cylons, indicating that they aren't just AI who turned on their masters, seemingly interested in more than just annihilating humankind.

Caprica City's outskirts once again provide cylons studying Helo, awaiting his vocal admittance to loving Boomer, as she meets up with them to follow further instructions. There is actual dissension among even the cylons as clone of Number Six admits to not liking Boomer, with her receiving orders to make sure Helo complies with certain expectations or else will die. I still don't know where this is heading but I'm a patient viewer, as the cylons appear dedicated to mimicking humans seamlessly, looking to secure affection from humans. On the BG, the Boomer model (who doesn't know she's a cylon) goes to Baltar Gaius hoping he can prove whether or not she's a cylon, as Number Six mocks him in his mind, encouraging him to test her then questioning if he should tell her once it is realized she is. I have continued to enjoy this ongoing crisis Gaius can't break free from as Number Six never fails to give him much time to himself, often serving as a symbol of guilt or debate where every decision he makes comes under scrutiny and is subject to contentious tensions.

Roslin having Leoben's cuffs off, speaking to him with respect, offering to give him sanctuary without harm only to send him out of the airlock (and Starbuck placing her hand on the glass as he does from the other side, as if to indicate regret and emotional connection) are startling / surprising developments. Roslin can't have a cylon knowingly walking the corridors of any ship in their fleet and Starbuck has been forever changed by meeting Leoben, his words about her resonating despite efforts to force him to talk during interrogation. Leoben telling Roslin that Adama is a cylon plants a suspicious seed that very well could be a tactic used to cause distrust.

The question of cylons developing beyond their programming, functioning similar to humans, gradually thinking, feeling, contemplating their having a soul, wanting to continue in the "human experience" is far more substantial in intellectual merit than the original which aimed to thrill kids...not that I have any problem with that, but to tickle my intellect is altogether another matter I embrace wholeheartedly.
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8/10
An important brick in the foundation of the remainder of the series
jnipe8 June 2010
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I don't know if this review has a spoiler in it or not, to be honest. But I don't want to be blacklisted certainly, so maybe it's best to not read reviews of shows like this before you see them?

That said, this is the episode that I think will keep me interested in watching the remainder of season one and probably propel me into season two eventually. I believe, in spite of the fact that it is very talky and devoid of almost any action, that this is surely one of the better episodes of the series thus far. BSG tends to take itself a bit too seriously, isn't quite as profound as its creators think it is, and is oftentimes humorless. None of that mattered in this episode which delved rather deeply into the nature of good and evil and right and wrong; individual rights versus those of society; the "validity" of torturing a single person as a means by which to save the lives of many persons; the nature of the human soul--if there is indeed such a thing; and the ambiguities inherent in a life lived with faith (even though a person of faith would argue there is no such thing as ambiguity in his or her religious beliefs...but which religion is "right"? Judaism? Islam? Christianity? Hinduism? Really? Oh...well...prove it). Anyway, "Flesh and Bone" sure raises a lot of questions in just 42 minutes. And it certainly throws a couple of neat twists into the series's narrative as well.

I don't find President Roslin to be an "absurd" figure. She is at times vexing, but Mary McDonnell is a very good actor and makes her character believable, if not very sympathetic. I do find Dr. Baltar a rather absurd figure, however, though James Callis almost makes him seem somehow plausible. Perhaps I'm more bothered that I find it difficult to believe that no one seems able to see through him. Chief Tyrol's imbecility when it comes to Boomer is annoying at best. Anyway, this is a fine, generally well-acted and well-written episode. I imagine it was even more powerful in 2004, a time when so many of the political issues BSG touches on were even more pressing than they are today. While I don't know for sure, I think this episode was an important brick in the foundation of the remainder of the series.
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10/10
Do machines have souls?
Tweekums13 September 2010
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In one of my favourite episodes to date there is surprisingly little action; the best scenes involve two people talking in albeit a strained situation. When a copy of the Leoben Cylon is found hiding aboard the Gemenon Traveller Starbuck is sent over to interrogate him. Adama warns her to beware of him as he will attempt to gain her confidence with a mixture of lies and half truths. This soon proves to be true, he tells her that there is a nuclear bomb somewhere in the fleet but he refuses to say where; even under torture he just talks about how he understands the universe and tells Starbuck that she is destined to find Kobol, the mythical planet mankind came from, and the Earth; is he a genuine prophet? Is he just messing with her head? or is he simply insane? Eventually President Roslin arrives and puts a stop to the procedure; Leoben tells her the truth about the bomb and sows seeds of doubt in her mind concerning Adama. Away from this plot thread the Sharon on Caprica is getting closer to Helo and appears to be deviating from the plan the other Cylons have and the Sharon on Galactica decides to see Baltar to become a test subject for his Cylon detector... what will he do when he learns the truth?

This was a great episode, Katee Sackhoff and Callum Rennie put in fine performances as Starbuck and Leoben, it was interesting to see the people we are meant to see as 'the good guys' acting in a way that is morally dubious at best; the Cylons may be machines but they are clearly sentient and appear to have the same feelings as people. It was a nice touch having Starbuck pray for Leoben at the end showing that she had come to think of them as more than machines. It will be interesting to see if Leoben's prophecies come true later in the series.
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10/10
10 * after rewatching the episode
timo-deola31 January 2021
There is more to Leobens half baked truths. The philosophical dispute is just a cover to say truths, which are not appearing until very late (season 3 and 4).
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6/10
Flesh and Bone
Prismark1031 December 2020
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Another episode that shows the roots of this show. A demonstration of enhanced interrogation techniques.

A cylon who is a copy of Leoben Conoy has been captured. Adama sends Starbuck to interrogate him. She is warned that the prisoner will mix truth with lies to cause chaos.

Leoben tells Starbuck that he has planted a nuclear bomb in one of the ships. Starbuck tortures him to find out where.

The episode is more about the philosophical underpinnings of these new cylons. Leoben could had easily overpowered Starbuck.

Like Pinocchio, the wooden doll who wants to be a boy. Maybe the cylons want to truly understand humans, their belief systems and want to be more than machines.

Maybe that is why Leoben is withstanding the pain of torture. Or it could he might just be playing with the minds of humans. After all Leoben's knowledge could always be transplanted on another copy.

It does give the impression that cylons might be more than stock villains. This is again demonstrated as Boomer seeks out Dr Baltar and she wants to be a test subject for his new cylon detector. Boomer may not be sure about who she is but Baltar is left in shock.
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6/10
Soul or Software?
claudio_carvalho6 September 2008
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The Gemenon Traveler informs Galactica that a copy of Leoben Conoy has been captured. Commander Adama assigns Starbuck to interrogate the prisoner and advises her that this model cannot be trusted. Leoben claims that has planted a nuclear warhead in one spacecraft and Starbuck tortures him trying to discover where the bomb is planted. Meanwhile Boomer asks Dr. Baltar to be tested in his Cylon detector.

In "Flesh and Bone", Starbuck and Leoben have an inconclusive philosophical discussion about soul and Gods, raising the doubt whether the humanoid Cylons have soul or software. The despicable Gaius Baltar discovers but hides the truth about Boomer. But the worse again in this episode is the pointless participation of President Roslin, a ridiculous character that spoils this series. My vote is six.

Title (Brazil): "De Carne e Osso" ("Of Flesh and Bone")
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