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7/10
An episode that just doesn't take it's ideas far enough
katierose29528 September 2006
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I like how "Angel" always lurks in the gray areas. The show is willing to show demons as good and humans as bad, something that BTVS rarely does. "That Old Gang of Mine" is probably the show most clear cut example of "evil" humans v. "good" demon. But, even it stays in the gray areas. Some of the "good" demons are killers and one of the "evil" humans is Gunn. "That Old Gang of Mine" has some really interesting things to say. Unfortunately, it seems to hold back, shying away from the deeper statement it could have made and making the end a little too simple. If it took it's ideas further, I think it really could have been a cool episode about the nature of good and evil, right and wrong, demons and humans, etc... Instead it wraps everything up by having the "bad" human eaten by a "bad" demon and then forgetting the larger issues. It's a shame. "That Old Gang of Mine" is one of the better Gunn episodes, showing his inner conflicts and his growing distance with his old life. But, really, if you're watching the show on DVD, you could probably skip this episode and not miss much.

"That Old Gang of Mine" revolves around Gunn's old friends. They've started a crusade to wipe out every demon they can find. Some of the demon's they're killing are harmless, and when they murder Merle, Team Angel starts investigating. Gunn is frustrated with the idea of helping to solve demon crimes. And he feels torn when he discovers that his old friends are behind the killings and hides the evidence against them. A new guy named Gio has joined the gang. Gio is violent and incredibly jealous of Gunn's reputation. He's leading the gang on the demon hunting parties, and his new target is Karitos.

When they attack Karitos, Wes, Fred, Cordy and Gunn are all there with Lorne. Gunn's friends are furious to see him hanging out with demons. Gunn tries to defend himself against their accusations. But the gang sends Cordy to get Angel, saying that Gunn will have to kill Angel is he wants to prove himself. Angel heads to Karitos, while Cordy goes to get the protection spell lifted. Gunn won't kill Angel. Fred says that she will, then she turns the crossbow on Gio. Angel won't let her take a life and makes her put the crossbow down. The protection spell is lifted and Team Angel fights off the humans. One of the demons bites Gio in half and the humans kill it. After the battle, Wes tells Gunn that he'll fire him if he ever again endangers the group by hiding evidence. Gunn explains to Angel that he'll never really be Angel's friend because he's a vampire, but that he wants to continue fighting evil with him.

There are some good parts to this episode. I like the three women who run Karitos' protection spell. "Mmmmmm, Angel..." It's really cool how their dialog crosses over each other. And the beginning of the episode's pretty funny with Angel reading his apology to Merle off of cue cards. "What? I made a few notes." Then he goads Merle into hitting him, activating the protection spell and sending Merle flying backwards. Angel just smirks. Angel's really cute when he's being childish. Also, I like Wes investigating the demon murders. He's spent years hunting demons, but he still sees the difference between good and evil. Wes really is one of the interesting characters in the whole Buffyverse. He always does what he thinks is right even if nobody else agrees with him. And I like Cordy explaining to Fred that Angel thinks she should leave the hotel for an evening. "Angel wants you to get out." Fred thinks that Angel's kicking her out of the hotel, but really they're just headed to Karitos. Where poor Fred attacked right in the middle of her song. Then she pulls a crossbow on Gio, which is great. I really wasn't expecting her to do that the first time I saw this episode. Finally, I laugh every time Angel sees his name on Merle's enemies list. He's also cute when he's outraged.

On the down side, what the h*ll is Gunn's problem in this episode? What does he mean that he can't ever be Angel's friend because Angel's a vampire? Since when is does he not trust Angel? What kind of crazy bigoted crap is that? And why does Gunn kill that one child eating demon for just standing there? Why does he care what that creep Gio has to say? Why does he STILL not see the gray areas between humans and demons? I usually like Gunn, but this episode makes him pretty unlikable. Maybe I would be more accepting of his attitude in "That Old Gang for Mine" if the show carried this idea further. If Gunn had had to shoot Gio, for instance, then he would have to come to grips with the fact that he'd killed a human to protect demons. That would be interesting. Or if there had been more fall out from Gunn's old friends for him continuing to work with Angel. Or if later episodes had addressed Alanna's death some more. Or if Gunn finally apologized to Angel and admitted that he was wrong. Then I might enjoy this episode more. It could be that beginning of a really cool story line, where Gunn has to see that he's been close minded and confront his old stereotypes. But, it just never comes off. I don't think Gunn really learns anything from "That Old Gang of Mine." He apparently still doesn't change his preconceived notions about good and evil. And I just don't understand why.

My favorite part of the episode: Fred singing "Crazy." Wes stares at her, Gunn sort of grins and Cordy just shakes her head. "I swear to God, she chose that song herself."
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7/10
Magnum Force Angel style
Joxerlives18 February 2012
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THAT OLD GANG OF MINE (anyone else keep expecting Gunn to break into a number from Sweet Charity?)

The Good; Angel apologising to Merl is hilarious but this is Gunn's ep. Love Fred singing at Caritas and she shows some steel for the first time.

The Bad; Evidence bags. Hmmm? Are we on CSI or something? Weird how they appear this week as an important part of the plot but then we never see them again.

Best line: Fred; "Oh. Oh! Ohhhhhh!" (all in the delivery)

Jeez, how did they get away with that? The killing of the balancing entity is particularly gruesome

Apocalypses: 5

Angel Clichés Inverting the Hollywood cliché; Human's bad, demons, well if not good not inherently evil

In disguise; 8

DB get's his shirt off; 12

Cordy's tattoo; 8,

Cheap Angel; 7

Fang Gang in bondage: Cordy: 5 Angel: 10 Wes: 6 Gunn; 3 Lorne; 2

Fang gang knocked out: Cordy: 11 Angel: 13 Wes: 5 Doyle; 1 Gunn; 1 Lorne; 2

Kills: one demon for Gunn Cordy: 5 vamps, 3 demons Angel; 28 vamps, 40 and 1/2 demons, 3 humans Doyle; 1 vamp Wes; 7 demons+1 vamp Kate; 3 vamps Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans. Gunn; 8 vamps+ 6 demons.

Fang Gang go evil: Cordy: 2 Angel: 2

Alternate Fang Gang: Cordy: 2 Angel: 6

Characters killed: 40

Recurring characters killed; goodbye Merl. Gunn is still haunted by killing his sister which you can't blame him for. 7;

Total number of Angel Investigations: 5, Angel, Cordy, Wes, Gunn and Fred

Angel Investigations shot: Angel: 11 Wes; 1

Packing heat; Gunn with a shotgun. He seems to object to the gang using Uzis but under his leadership they didn't hesitate to use a flamethrower. Wes; 3 Doyle; 1 Angel; 1 Gunn; 1

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Angel and the Furies Cordy: 3 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies Wes; 2; Virginia and the bleached blonde

Kinky dinky: It's implied that Angel beds the three Furies (genuine characters from Greek mythology and very popular on TV at the time also turning up on Xena and Charmed, Piper even becomes one for a while). Singly or all three sisters at the same time? (Every man's ultimate fantasy? Or would that include their milfy mom joining in as well?) He's now happy to do so as after Darla he knows he won't lose his soul because he doesn't love them. Of course this is what we all assume. I read a very funny fanfic once where we learn that the Furies actually dig Angel due to his exquisite foot massage technique.

Captain Subtext; CC describes Fred as 'sweet and adorable'. Lorne describes Gunn as 'sweetie'. The Furies tell Cordelia she is not equipped to pay this debt but I once read a rather good fanfic on the subject which ended in the words "MMMMmmmmm Cordelia!". What exactly did Rondell flee from in Florida? Who is the girl who trusted him to the end? Someone he betrayed or someone who he couldn't save?

Know the face, different character; 3

Parking garages; 5,

Buffy characters on Angel; 16 Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony

Questions and observations; Wes saves Fred in Caritas. Wes' new image makes him look like some form of student teacher or something. Surely shooting Lorne would do him no harm if cutting his head off doesn't kill him? One demon keeps saying "Oh god", the other says "He's not listening", weird that demons refer to god.

Now, are Rondell and the guys right or wrong? When they raid Caritas they kill at least one vamp and a babyeating demon, it's hard to say that's really wrong? The problem is they don't distinguish as AI do. The ending is probably as good as you can get in this dilemma. Interesting that Wes warns Gunn about divided loyalties a subject he's going to learn all about later in the season.

Marks out of 10; 7/10
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7/10
Who Are You Loyal To?
Samuel-Shovel4 April 2018
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In "That Old Gang of Mine", someone or something is going around L.A. killing nonviolent demons for no apparent reason. Meanwhile, Gunn is being pulled between two different directions in his life, his old gang and his new one. He must choose where his loyalties lie. The subplot of Gunn's two different lives is something that has been rippling under the surface for quite some time now. This is the first episode that focuses heavily upon it. Not helping is the fact that Gunn's old gang has gone a bit rouge and "lost the mission" since his departure.

While I like the plot of this episode and the issues of "gray" areas within the world of demons that we see here, I feel like it got a bit truncated before it began. Gunn's old gang is out on a witch hunt, not differentiating good and bad. If you're not human, you're not welcome. While this is an interesting idea, something is just missing from the overall plot arc. It felt as if this could have been something that had a multiple episode storyline instead of a quick 45 minutes.

Note: Khalil Kain is wayyyyy too over the top in this episode. He needed to dial it back a bit.
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6/10
It's about the mission bro. He's got it. You don't
SleepTight66627 January 2007
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It's about the mission bro. He's got it. You don't - Another 'Gunn' episode, It develops his character in all the necessary ways, he moves on out of his old crew and pretty much reveals his feelings for 'Angel'. When it comes down to 'Gunn' episodes, the secondary story lines are more interesting than the actual 'Gunn' story lines, but this one was pretty much only about 'Gunn'. What I like is how the writers made 'Gunn' seem more human by making him have nightmares of his sister that got staked by him more than a year ago (it's impossible that you would get over something like that so quickly). I also like that this episode deals with the 'stereotyping' issue, 'Gunn's old gang are killing demons, good and bad including 'Merl' only because they are demons, but just because they are doesn't necessarily make them bad. I also loved 'Fred's scenes, watching these episodes make me realize how much I liked crazy 'Fred', I kind of lost my interest in her as soon as she went sane and disappeared into the background. Her misunderstandings with 'Cordy', singing a song about being crazy and getting demon guts spilled all over her face made her all the more adorable. I also liked Khalil Kain, he played his character very well and made me love to hate him, also his head getting bitten off by a demon was a pretty nifty way to die. I think that this episode really came out strong on some levels but was still lacking something more, especially for a Tim Minear episode it didn't came out as strong as you would expect from him. ANGEL: Hey! Why is my name at the top of this list? ANGEL: Eh, 'A'? CORDELIA: Merl and I where not enemies! CORDELIA: Oh, okay, my mistake. ANGEL: I'm the one that found the body, remember? CORDELIA: Oh. And that's not suspicious. The one time you pay Merl a social visit and he ends up dead? (6.5 out of 10)
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6/10
The One Where Some Guys Shoot Up Caratos...
taylorkingston27 September 2014
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In this episode, Gunn's old gang, begins killing every demon they can get their hands on. Even the harmless, friendly ones. I mean, how rude is that? Come on guys, don't kill the good ones. Kill the killers. Kill the evil ones.

Eventually, they shoot up Caratos, Lorne's karaoke bar, and holds everyone hostage. They'll only let Gunn go, if he stakes Angel, but thankfully, he refuses. How mean is that? At this point, they're worse than Angel. I hate how these guys just judge all of these demons by their metaphorical covers.

Overall, I give this episode a 6 out of 10. Could have been better.
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