What makes this whole series so compelling is the power of Damian Lewis. When he is on the screen, which luckily is most of the time, you just want to watch. Even when he is sneering and abominable, you can't take your eyes off him. Rupert Graves (young Jolyon) is more handsome and his character is much more likable. But it is Damian Lewis's performance that makes this miniseries worth watching. It is too bad they horribly miscast the part of Irene with Gina McKee. Do casting directors ever bother to even glimpse at the books they are making into movies? In the novel, Irene is blonde with dark eyes. She is delicate and enchanting. While McKee is certainly not unattractive, nothing about her is delicate. She is simply too formidable a personality to portray a lovely young thing at the mercy of, first her stepmother, then Soames, then saved from poverty by Old Jolyon, then from loneliness by young Jolyon. She is supposed to be a young teenager in the opening. It is way too difficult to "un-age" a middle-aged actress. Sorry, the whole Gina McKee thing ruined it for me. Damian Lewis revived it fortunately. I am still trying to dissect how he played Soames so sympathetically. I found myself wishing that Irene would just see how much he does love her, even though I knew he was a creepy stalker! Lewis is an amazing actor! Check him out in "Band of Brothers" -- you'd think he was American! (On a side note: That whole series (BofB) is an amazing tribute to the real men of Easy company who fought in WWII, don't miss it.) As for "The Forsyte Saga", although this one is good, I highly recommend the original BBC miniseries from the 1960's. It is very long, in black & white, and not as elaborately produced, but every minute is worth it! Meanwhile, I will be looking for Damian Lewis in future projects.
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heroine or villain?
stuart-halliday16 September 2010
Comparisons between the 60s version of this splendid work and the latest one are difficult because they were both great. I have really enjoyed the last version especially as regards the performances of Damian Lewis and Gina McKee.
One previous contributor said that he found himself almost liking Soames which 'we were not supposed to do'. Is that right? Galsworthy intended The Forsytes to be representative of the upper middle class with some bad aspects - arrogance, lack of sentiment, conscious always of their respectability - but also with a positive side - sturdy, determined, ambitious, but ultimately concerned with ownership and property. Soames is an extreme example of his kind, to the extent that he regards people - especially his wife - as potential property. Irene, on the other hand, represents the new force which, along with the effects of WWI and the rise of the Welfare State, nationalisation etc will soon overthrow the old order.
Superficially at least, Soames is the villain. He appears to terrorise his wife, physically abuses her and more. However, is there another side to this? Irene marries him quite cynically for materialistic reasons. It's not merely a question of 'not loving' him. He positively makes her flesh creep right from the start. We are given the idea that she is forced to marry him by her stepmother and by her poverty. Force her?? As the story goes forward, we see that she is a strong character - no-one can force her to do anything. Her poverty? She has £50 per annum from her father. This might not seem a lot, but it was about what an artisan earned in a year at that time (on which he was expected to keep a family). Despite his treating her as property, Soames does love Irene in his way and he does try his best to give her what she wants. In return she is openly unfaithful to him, denies him children and even conjugal rights. As regards his bad treatment of her, she certainly returns the compliment in kind. She could be looked on as something of a vampire - she sucks the life force from Soames and old Jolyan and wantonly destroys the happiness of her friend June and Bossiney (though admittedly he goes along willingly). As regards her own son her hatred of Soames tempers her dislike of Fleur so even her son is badly affected by her force of character and neurosis.
I think Galsworthy, as well as writing a simple commentary on Edwardian and Victorian life was also trying to divide his readers into factions - the pro-Soames camp who like the old ways, and the pro-Irene (the 'new woman' camp) who wanted change.
Whatever, I have to congratulate Gina McKee. She carried off that complex character of Irene so well. Her enigmatic Mona Lisa smile, did it display goodness? Or the opposite? I'm still not sure
One previous contributor said that he found himself almost liking Soames which 'we were not supposed to do'. Is that right? Galsworthy intended The Forsytes to be representative of the upper middle class with some bad aspects - arrogance, lack of sentiment, conscious always of their respectability - but also with a positive side - sturdy, determined, ambitious, but ultimately concerned with ownership and property. Soames is an extreme example of his kind, to the extent that he regards people - especially his wife - as potential property. Irene, on the other hand, represents the new force which, along with the effects of WWI and the rise of the Welfare State, nationalisation etc will soon overthrow the old order.
Superficially at least, Soames is the villain. He appears to terrorise his wife, physically abuses her and more. However, is there another side to this? Irene marries him quite cynically for materialistic reasons. It's not merely a question of 'not loving' him. He positively makes her flesh creep right from the start. We are given the idea that she is forced to marry him by her stepmother and by her poverty. Force her?? As the story goes forward, we see that she is a strong character - no-one can force her to do anything. Her poverty? She has £50 per annum from her father. This might not seem a lot, but it was about what an artisan earned in a year at that time (on which he was expected to keep a family). Despite his treating her as property, Soames does love Irene in his way and he does try his best to give her what she wants. In return she is openly unfaithful to him, denies him children and even conjugal rights. As regards his bad treatment of her, she certainly returns the compliment in kind. She could be looked on as something of a vampire - she sucks the life force from Soames and old Jolyan and wantonly destroys the happiness of her friend June and Bossiney (though admittedly he goes along willingly). As regards her own son her hatred of Soames tempers her dislike of Fleur so even her son is badly affected by her force of character and neurosis.
I think Galsworthy, as well as writing a simple commentary on Edwardian and Victorian life was also trying to divide his readers into factions - the pro-Soames camp who like the old ways, and the pro-Irene (the 'new woman' camp) who wanted change.
Whatever, I have to congratulate Gina McKee. She carried off that complex character of Irene so well. Her enigmatic Mona Lisa smile, did it display goodness? Or the opposite? I'm still not sure
"You must promise me that if our marriage is not a success, you will set me free."
Flower_of_the_Lily11 July 2007
Warning: Spoilers
I recall watching this when it was first aired (on ITV, I think) and recently re-watched some of it when round at a friend's - and found it very thought-provoking. Read on ...
Whilst we can always rely on the good old BBC to produce a great costume drama whilst blindfolded and handcuffed, I've always thought ITV's efforts to be hit-and-miss affairs. So which is The Forsythe Saga? Predictably, both.
Visually, there's no problem - it's a gorgeous production, the script is nicely paced, and a generous amount of time is allocated to each of the main characters so we can watch the most interesting developments without getting bored or losing sight of the big picture. This is truly a family saga, spanning several generations and their friends and enemies, their acts and consequences. It's also a cracking story - I've never read the original novel, so can't vouch for it's accuracy, but the script is very well done.
But I'm afraid the largest stumbling-block comes in the form of casting. This, ostensibly, ought to be Irene Forsythe's story - pressured into a loveless marriage by a guardian who ought to be taking care of her, the victim of a cold, and often brutal man who violently rapes her, she dares to risk it all for a chance at true love with a young businessman. Tragedy and eventual bittersweet joy result. The majority of our sympathy ought to be with Irene.
But unfortunately it doesn't work out like this. Gina McKee looks beautiful, but whether through the script she was given or a decision to play Irene as a sad, reserved woman, she comes across as unfeeling, unresponsive, and totally indifferent to those around her. Indeed, it's hard to see why one man would become obsessed with her, let alone three or four. It was difficult to relate to her, with the only moments I genuinely felt bad for her being Soames's violent attack and when she is told of Bossiney's death. Ioan Gruffudd by the way, does his not inconsiderable best, but his character is really just a means to an end - a common-or-garden bold young man who loves the central female character and prompts her escape.
I spent the majority of the viewing time, meanwhile, cursing Damian Lewis - he is simply superb. He takes the vile Soames - a bully, a cruel, violent rapist, a jealous and possessive husband - and at times threatens to win sympathy totally from Irene. His repressed passions and darkness glimmer beneath his surface, and his spurned adoration of Irene prompts genuine pity. Damn you Lewis, we're not supposed to like Soames! But he is by far the most complex character of the series, and Lewis emerges as a star-in-waiting.
Every other actor and actress does themselves credit, but Rupert Graves deserves a mention as a an excellent contrast to the cruel Soames. But it's the above love triangle that drives the story. Make up your own mind where your sympathies lie, but definitely worth a viewing.
Whilst we can always rely on the good old BBC to produce a great costume drama whilst blindfolded and handcuffed, I've always thought ITV's efforts to be hit-and-miss affairs. So which is The Forsythe Saga? Predictably, both.
Visually, there's no problem - it's a gorgeous production, the script is nicely paced, and a generous amount of time is allocated to each of the main characters so we can watch the most interesting developments without getting bored or losing sight of the big picture. This is truly a family saga, spanning several generations and their friends and enemies, their acts and consequences. It's also a cracking story - I've never read the original novel, so can't vouch for it's accuracy, but the script is very well done.
But I'm afraid the largest stumbling-block comes in the form of casting. This, ostensibly, ought to be Irene Forsythe's story - pressured into a loveless marriage by a guardian who ought to be taking care of her, the victim of a cold, and often brutal man who violently rapes her, she dares to risk it all for a chance at true love with a young businessman. Tragedy and eventual bittersweet joy result. The majority of our sympathy ought to be with Irene.
But unfortunately it doesn't work out like this. Gina McKee looks beautiful, but whether through the script she was given or a decision to play Irene as a sad, reserved woman, she comes across as unfeeling, unresponsive, and totally indifferent to those around her. Indeed, it's hard to see why one man would become obsessed with her, let alone three or four. It was difficult to relate to her, with the only moments I genuinely felt bad for her being Soames's violent attack and when she is told of Bossiney's death. Ioan Gruffudd by the way, does his not inconsiderable best, but his character is really just a means to an end - a common-or-garden bold young man who loves the central female character and prompts her escape.
I spent the majority of the viewing time, meanwhile, cursing Damian Lewis - he is simply superb. He takes the vile Soames - a bully, a cruel, violent rapist, a jealous and possessive husband - and at times threatens to win sympathy totally from Irene. His repressed passions and darkness glimmer beneath his surface, and his spurned adoration of Irene prompts genuine pity. Damn you Lewis, we're not supposed to like Soames! But he is by far the most complex character of the series, and Lewis emerges as a star-in-waiting.
Every other actor and actress does themselves credit, but Rupert Graves deserves a mention as a an excellent contrast to the cruel Soames. But it's the above love triangle that drives the story. Make up your own mind where your sympathies lie, but definitely worth a viewing.
Fabulous version of Galsworthy's novel
mitfordgirl8 May 2005
I had never heard of The Forsyte Saga before seeing the mini-series but I enjoyed it so much that I bought the novel, and isn't that really what these adaptations of novels are all about- trying to interest people enough to read the book the movie was based on? I'm glad this version wasn't completely true to the novel considering that so many of the characters in the novel are either underdeveloped or so enigmatic that it's hard to have any kind of feelings about them.It was a stroke of genius to develop Dartie and George into the two jokers of the family, who provide light entertainment when the plot gets a little dark. In defense of Gina McKee, I think the choice to cast her as Irene was a wise one. I can't think of any other actress today who has such an elegant, classy beauty without being "showy" about it and I thought her characterization of Irene was true to how she is portrayed in the book, considering that Galsworthy deliberately made Irene a very shadowy, unreachable figure. Ioan Gruffudd, who, with his dark good looks just seems to be made for these lavish period pieces, was his usual dashing and charming self playing "The Buccaneer" and the rest of the cast put in a fine performance. While I admit these costume drama mini-series aren't to everyone's taste, you can not doubt the painstaking hard work put in by all involved that makes them a cut above the rest.
Damian Lewis made this mini-series for me!
DruGarton8 December 2002
I truly enjoyed this mini-series. I felt that Damian Lewis' portrayal of Soames was truly award-winning. After seeing him in other roles (most notably Band of Brothers), I am even more impressed with his range. I also don't agree with those who felt that the Irene' should have been played by a "prettier" actress. I felt that Gina McKee's true beauty was exposed once you looked at the person inside, exactly as Irene's was. I would recommend this to anyone!
Damian Lewis shines as Soames
jennyDarlin20 October 2003
I have not seen the original film or read the book, so I have a fresh perspective on this version of The Forsyte Saga. It is a brilliantly acted, emotionally stirring film. Damian Lewis is outstanding. He brings such intense emotions to the character of Soames. I don't know if it's the character but I like to think it's his acting that makes you almost feel sorry for this man. How can you feel sorry for someone who, on the surface can be so cruel? Well, that is the genius of Damian Lewis! He brings such passion to the complex character of Soames that you can't stop watching it! He expresses so realistically the repressed emotions of the character. I feel that is what makes this film so moving, it's so human. The film displays w/such heartache(thanks to the acting) the struggles and human complexities of individuals forced to stay within the expectations of their repressed society. The actors effectively display how the characters desperately need & want love and acceptance, but don't have a clue how to obtain it, although some do find love eventually. I definitely recommend this film to anyone who likes period type/costume dramas which showcases brilliant acting. And if you don't know Damian Lewis, this is an excellent introduction to his work!
A brilliant follow-up to the 1st series
ids1 September 2003
This second installment lives up to the expectations created by the first series and by the novel itself - To Let. We meet again, with much pleasure, the magnificent cast of the first series (D. Lewis as Soames stands out) and discover the choices that have been made to cast the 4 new main characters : Fleur and Jon Forsyte, Prosper Profound, and Michael Mont. I found the 4 of them to be nearly-ideally suited to their part. May be the actor playing Jon lacked a little bit of brilliance, but he showed a lot of sensibility and looked a lot like his "mother", Irene. The story unfolds with relentlessness but there are also many moving, or funny moments. The films is really faithful to the tone of Galdsworthy and is, all in all, a magnificent achievement. it is as good as the first series, and may be even better. At the end of the 4th episode, we are really sorry to have to wait for the next episodes of the saga, and the lives of Fleur and Michael Mont. Highly recommended to fans of British top quality literary drama.
A gripping follow-up to the first series
ducklessreeds19 September 2003
The first series was so well wrought that I rushed out to buy the books, a set of three trilogies! As did the first, this second series brings the characters and story lines to life as though Galsworthy himself crafted the script. Once again, we trace the intertwined lives of Soames, Irene, Jolyon and their families as they mature and branch out. Damien Lewis builds upon his masterful portrayal of Soames, an emotionally repressed man bound by Victorian conventions, whilst others around him, including the irrepressible Freddie, enjoy the heady excitement of the decidedly unstuffy post-war era. I found most characters "aged" convincingly, although time, if not her fashionable appearance, seems to have stood still for June who now looks about the same age as her much younger sister, Holly. Overall, the continuity between the first and second series has been handled well. Much of the action in the books has been condensed whilst still remaining true to the plot (the same things happen, just not as drawn out). I am really enjoying the new characters who have been introduced: Jon, Fleur, Prosper Profond and Michael Mont. The actors are well cast and have done a marvellous job; the audience really cares what happens to them, regardless of whether we like them or not. None is all bad or all good, and we recognise our own human virtues and frailties in reflection.
Quite a good mini-series
Arafura22 September 2002
A remake of the 1967 original, the 2002 mini-series boasts some fine performances, especially from Band of Brothers' Damian Lewis as the often unfeeling Soames Forsyte, and Gillian Kearney as June Forsyte (the graveyard scene between these two characters is superb!)
The story follows three generations of the Forsyte family, from about the 1880s to the death of Queen Victoria. There is a nice blend of humour, action, and drama to keep the viewer interested in the proceedings. If you're like me and into family sagas, I recommend watching this, or, if you can't, reading the book by John Galsworthy.
The story follows three generations of the Forsyte family, from about the 1880s to the death of Queen Victoria. There is a nice blend of humour, action, and drama to keep the viewer interested in the proceedings. If you're like me and into family sagas, I recommend watching this, or, if you can't, reading the book by John Galsworthy.
Superb Victorian Drama With Stellar Cast - Powerfully Moving!
AerLingus19 May 2006
I came across "The Forsyte Saga" and its sequel, "The Forsyte Saga: To Let," in my local library. It was the sequel that I had watched first, not realizing there had been a mini-series made prior to this. THE FORSYTE SAGA is an utterly brilliant film, in my opinion, ranging from the exceptional performances of the actors (notably Rupert Graves, Damian Lewis, Gina McKee, Gillian Kearney, & Corin Redgrave), to the screenplay, to the cinematography, to the music (closing theme). The actors executed their portrayals with such realism that I was engrossed in the mindsets of the major players in the film. Such performances are refreshing in the movie industry, as one loses sight of the actors for the "characters." The plot was very good and well written; as such, the movie never seemed to drag. For me, this drama evoked powerful emotions ranging from: deep sorrow & loss (Old Jolyon), to empathy & sympathy, and even a few moments of unexpected humour. I kept wanting more. All in all, this miniseries shows us many injustices, and that dignity, integrity, goodness, and compassion can prevail. If you can set aside an afternoon or long evening to relax and watch the miniseries in one sitting, it will be worth savouring. I hope others find THE FORSYTE SAGA to be a pleasure to watch. I certainly plan to add the DVD set in my film library soon.
Better than the first part - slight spoilers
crossing_lethe7 August 2005
Warning: Spoilers
One of the main things that put me off of "The Forsyte Saga" is that the story seemed to be running through story lines at full speed - a fault that is understandable when considering the huge amount of years and characters involved. This mini-series does not suffer from that affliction and, as a result, is an improvement over the first.
The centralization of the storyline on Jon and Fleur's short relationship means that we can get attached to the characters in ways that were not possible with the first mini-series. The plot unfolded at a more leisurely pace and the characters are given room to evolve. I am especially glad that the cast of the first series were recast for this one. My only fault with the casting is Gina McKee, who's wooden portrayal of Irene means that the compelling aspect of her character that all the other characters are supposed to feel is non-existent. It is hard to understand Soames' continued obsession with Irene.
The casting of Emma Griffiths-Malin and Lee Williams as the young lovers is spot on. One feels for them in a way that was never possible in the first series. An interesting point in their love story is that Jon's rival, Michael, is not a flawed character. Too often, the second man of a love triangle is "lesser" than the one we're meant to root for - for example, he could be a womanizer, a drug addict, a nerd, cold-hearted etc. There is nothing wrong with Michael, except for the fact that Fleur doesn't love him.
The B-plots involving the minor characters doesn't take away from the story, but adds to it. This again is another thing that the first series didn't quite manage. Altogether, I find "The Forsyte Saga: To Let" to be much more enjoyable than it's predecessor and very good story on it's own.
The centralization of the storyline on Jon and Fleur's short relationship means that we can get attached to the characters in ways that were not possible with the first mini-series. The plot unfolded at a more leisurely pace and the characters are given room to evolve. I am especially glad that the cast of the first series were recast for this one. My only fault with the casting is Gina McKee, who's wooden portrayal of Irene means that the compelling aspect of her character that all the other characters are supposed to feel is non-existent. It is hard to understand Soames' continued obsession with Irene.
The casting of Emma Griffiths-Malin and Lee Williams as the young lovers is spot on. One feels for them in a way that was never possible in the first series. An interesting point in their love story is that Jon's rival, Michael, is not a flawed character. Too often, the second man of a love triangle is "lesser" than the one we're meant to root for - for example, he could be a womanizer, a drug addict, a nerd, cold-hearted etc. There is nothing wrong with Michael, except for the fact that Fleur doesn't love him.
The B-plots involving the minor characters doesn't take away from the story, but adds to it. This again is another thing that the first series didn't quite manage. Altogether, I find "The Forsyte Saga: To Let" to be much more enjoyable than it's predecessor and very good story on it's own.
Wow...
Em-552 October 2002
I can take or leave some historical dramas but The Forsyte Saga had me hooked. The series was a sumptuous delight and I will miss my Sunday night's viewing.
The story was brought to life wonderfully, with great direction, amazing costumes and brilliant acting. The real gem of the series was Damian Lewis and his portrayal of Soames was second to none. Also worthy of mention were Gina McKee and Rupert Graves, as Irene and Young Jolyon respectively. These three actors are among the best in Britain.
To anybody who has an interest in British Society at the end of the 19th Century, this is for you.
I will be very glad when the second series is shown, and I can only hope that it will be as good as the unforgettable first.
The story was brought to life wonderfully, with great direction, amazing costumes and brilliant acting. The real gem of the series was Damian Lewis and his portrayal of Soames was second to none. Also worthy of mention were Gina McKee and Rupert Graves, as Irene and Young Jolyon respectively. These three actors are among the best in Britain.
To anybody who has an interest in British Society at the end of the 19th Century, this is for you.
I will be very glad when the second series is shown, and I can only hope that it will be as good as the unforgettable first.
A melodrama that doesn't quite work - slight spoilers
crossing_lethe8 August 2005
Warning: Spoilers
There are lots of things about the mini-series that are wonderful. The acting is mostly quite good, the costumes and scenery are wonderful, and the story is addicting. There are no true "heros" or "heroines in the series - every character has something unlikable about them. For example, the main two protagonists are Young Jolyon - a man who makes selfish decisions to follow his heart - and Irene - a poor woman who marries a man she dislikes for money and has an affair with her best friend's fiancé. The main villain is Soames - a man who marries for love knowing that Irene doesn't love him and ends up a controlling and abusive husband. All his actions towards her - however terrible - are the result of being tortured by unrequited love. Some might be put off by the lack of good and bad characters, but I find it refreshing. However, there are some elements that don't quite work. The sheer number of characters and years covered makes it a bit difficult to keep track of who is who among the minor characters. The death of certain characters don't have any emotional impact on the viewer because they never really became someone we care about. The melodrama is also taken a bit too far - "The Forsyte Saga" has a kind of soap opera appeal that is only aided by the quick shifts in years that give us characters newly grown to enter the drama.
My biggest problem with the show is Gina McKee. It may be an inherent problem with the character of Irene (I have not read the books), but McKee's performance comes across as very cold and flat. There is no reason to believe that Irene was a warm, lively person before her failed marriage to Soames. Irene is a woman with smart ideas and wit, but has no personality to back it up. Her reserve during and after marriage could be explained away as a result of her domineering and abusive relationship with her husband. Regardless, it is just plain unbelievable that so many characters would be compelled and drawn towards her - especially not so compelled and drawn that they are willing to hurt the people that they love to be with her. Everybody falls in love with Irene, but it's hard to see why. On a superficial note, I felt that the series was constantly trying to convince us that McKee is much more good-looking than she really is. McKee can look from plain to beautiful depending on the angle, lighting, and her expressions. From the sheer number of times characters from the series remark on how beautiful she is, one would think that Irene has a Helen of Troy-esquire quality to her.
As a character central to many of the plot developments that require us to believe she is appealing to men (three men fall in love with her and one has a strong attachment to her), it is essential to have an actress who plays the part of not just a woman emotionally set back by her father's death and an unhappy marriage, but as a woman with a charisma or mysterious air that draws people in - anything that makes you relate to the events on screen. McKee also fails to have any chemistry with any of her male counterparts. In some ways, watching Irene's relationships are like what watching an audition between the men and some random studio hand must be like. The failure of a compelling Irene means that "The Forsyte Saga" can't be as good as it could have been.
My biggest problem with the show is Gina McKee. It may be an inherent problem with the character of Irene (I have not read the books), but McKee's performance comes across as very cold and flat. There is no reason to believe that Irene was a warm, lively person before her failed marriage to Soames. Irene is a woman with smart ideas and wit, but has no personality to back it up. Her reserve during and after marriage could be explained away as a result of her domineering and abusive relationship with her husband. Regardless, it is just plain unbelievable that so many characters would be compelled and drawn towards her - especially not so compelled and drawn that they are willing to hurt the people that they love to be with her. Everybody falls in love with Irene, but it's hard to see why. On a superficial note, I felt that the series was constantly trying to convince us that McKee is much more good-looking than she really is. McKee can look from plain to beautiful depending on the angle, lighting, and her expressions. From the sheer number of times characters from the series remark on how beautiful she is, one would think that Irene has a Helen of Troy-esquire quality to her.
As a character central to many of the plot developments that require us to believe she is appealing to men (three men fall in love with her and one has a strong attachment to her), it is essential to have an actress who plays the part of not just a woman emotionally set back by her father's death and an unhappy marriage, but as a woman with a charisma or mysterious air that draws people in - anything that makes you relate to the events on screen. McKee also fails to have any chemistry with any of her male counterparts. In some ways, watching Irene's relationships are like what watching an audition between the men and some random studio hand must be like. The failure of a compelling Irene means that "The Forsyte Saga" can't be as good as it could have been.
good but the original series was superlative
minart-130 December 2009
Warning: Spoilers
Yes, I enjoyed this version and have recently watched it again, but it is useless to compare it to the original TV series which was far closer to the book. We have both versions and think they both have merit but the first was the best, there is no doubt in my mind, and to anyone who hasn't seen it, I strongly suggest they do if humanly possible. I certainly didn't like the cop-out ending of the second series. The death of Soames is important!I did find it odd that Gina McKee, a brunette, was cast as Irene. Irene is not an easy character to portray admittedly, there is very little to get your teeth into but Gina can be expressionless at times. I did prefer some of the casting of the second series, notably Bossiney and Monty and young Joylon. I think Damien Lewis was fine in the role, but adored Eric Porter (I met him a couple of times in the flesh and though he had splendid stage and film work under his belt it was always difficult not to see him as Soames, even when wearing his habitual blue donkey jacket. It was his part. ) I re-read the book at 2 yearly intervals on average and never tire of it.
Flawless In Every Respect!
bikerhiker4619 November 2011
At 65 years of age I have seen my share of movies and plays and I would have to say that this series is simply one of the, if not THE best productions I have ever had the pleasure of viewing. From camera work, through scripting, through character development it was simply beyond compare. The acting was of a level seldom encountered these days, or for that matter, any other days. Against this drama the threadbare nature of much of what today passes as entertainment is painfully evident.
I can't for the life of me understand why Damien Lewis and others were not immediately catapulted into the highest regions of recognition.
If it gets any better than this I've yet to experience it and I'm not holding my breath.
BRAVO!
I can't for the life of me understand why Damien Lewis and others were not immediately catapulted into the highest regions of recognition.
If it gets any better than this I've yet to experience it and I'm not holding my breath.
BRAVO!
Engrossing continuation of the scandal ridden Forsyte tale
roghache16 May 2006
This is the sequel to the previous year's mini series, The Forsyte Saga, based on John Galsworthy's novel. It continues on with the dramatic lives of the younger generation of Forsytes, namely the forbidden romance between Fleur and Jon. Fleur is the daughter of Soames Forsyte, and Jon the son of Soames's former wife, Irene. Once again scandal, secrets, and deception dominate the tale. Like its predecessor, this saga has beautiful English scenery, finely furnished country manors, and lovely period costumes.
The story is interesting, though I personally find Fleur not a sympathetic heroine at all but instead totally self absorbed, deceptive, and manipulative. Jon is much more appealing, a young man with a deep love and respect for his parents. From their first encounter at an art gallery, the lovely & spoiled Fleur has made up her mind to have Jon for herself. Naturally their ill advised love affair opens up all the old wounds between Soames and Irene. In addition to Fleur and Jon, there is a likable third party to the love triangle... Michael Mont, who also vies for Fleur's affections. Essentially the conniving Fleur uses poor Michael for her own selfish purposes.
Actually, the most compelling part of the story for me remains the unfolding lives of the older generation, Soames and Irene. Soames is now wed to the unfaithful French Annette, and Irene is happily married to Jolyon. Especially given the drama with their offspring, will Soames ever be rid of his obsession with Irene, the wife who never loved him and is now married to another?
The story is interesting, though I personally find Fleur not a sympathetic heroine at all but instead totally self absorbed, deceptive, and manipulative. Jon is much more appealing, a young man with a deep love and respect for his parents. From their first encounter at an art gallery, the lovely & spoiled Fleur has made up her mind to have Jon for herself. Naturally their ill advised love affair opens up all the old wounds between Soames and Irene. In addition to Fleur and Jon, there is a likable third party to the love triangle... Michael Mont, who also vies for Fleur's affections. Essentially the conniving Fleur uses poor Michael for her own selfish purposes.
Actually, the most compelling part of the story for me remains the unfolding lives of the older generation, Soames and Irene. Soames is now wed to the unfaithful French Annette, and Irene is happily married to Jolyon. Especially given the drama with their offspring, will Soames ever be rid of his obsession with Irene, the wife who never loved him and is now married to another?
Galsworthy Heros and Heroines
nanjen23 June 2005
Warning: Spoilers
Soames Forsyte is his father's son to a fault -- he is insensitive to the changes that are occurring in society. Irene feels forced to marry him by her step-mother, but pays dearly for agreeing to a marriage without love (and he marries her knowing that she doesn't love him). Whether she deserves the adoration of generations of men more than others in the Forsytes' sphere is irrelevant. There are men and women whose combination of heart, mind and beauty draw particular ardor, and the rest of us must resign to that as June does. Both old and young Jolyon Forsytes are examples of wonderful men. The older has the courage and integrity to realize that relationships with his son and grandchildren are more important than being flawless in the eyes of the family's social peers. The younger one not only stands up for passion, but for the wronged at the hands of power. this series brought me many hours of happiness.
Captivating Victorian soap opera based on Galsworthy's novel
roghache16 May 2006
Warning: Spoilers
I confess to not having read John Galsworthy's novel so cannot comment as to accuracy, but I thoroughly enjoyed this mini series. I do appreciate comments made that the cat fight between June & Irene (who stole June's fiancé) are not faithful to the spirit of propriety and self restraint in the novel. Unfortunately I missed an episode or two early in this first series, so had a little difficulty keeping some of the minor characters straight, of course my own fault.
The series chronicles the family saga of the wealthy, aristocratic Soames Forsyte who marries an impoverished girl named Irene Herron. She does not love her husband, having married him for money on her stepmother's advice. Although he showers her with finery and jewels, Soames treats her as a possession. He builds Irene a beautiful country mansion, Robin Hill, which she views as a prison, seeking instead freedom. During construction of the house, Irene engages in an affair with architect Phillip Bosinney, fiancé of Soames's cousin June, and the pair plan to run off together. Soames discovers his wife's infidelity and a scandal ensues. One night Soames takes advantage of his wife and Phillip dies during the unfolding confrontation that results.
Nevertheless, Irene leaves her unhappy marriage with Soames to make a new, if not prosperous, life for herself as a music teacher. She disappears for a time but a few years later his Uncle Jolyon (also known as Old Jolyon) notices Irene at the opera, resumes acquaintance, and gradually befriends her, leaving her a substantial sum of money when he dies. Soames remains obsessed with his wife, has Irene followed even to Paris where she has moved in an effort to escape him, and endeavours to win her back, partly because he seeks an heir to the family name. However, when he fails to persuade Irene, he eventually marries a French girl, Annette (daughter of a restaurant proprietress), who gives birth to a daughter. Meanwhile, Irene has turned to Young Jolyon (Old Jolyon's son) for protection from her estranged, obsessive husband. These two fall in love, eventually marry, and have a son.
Of course it's all something of a classy Victorian soap opera, this tale of a scandal ridden upper crust English family. More scandalous than Pride and Prejudice, less engrossing than the long running masterpiece, Upstairs Downstairs, this is a genre I invariably love. This mini series features the predictable luxuriously furnished manors, exquisite period costumes, and lovely scenery of the English countryside. The series has complexity since all the main characters are obviously flawed individuals, with no clear cut heroes or villains. Any one character will elicit different viewer responses.
While I am aware that this was not an uncommon practice in Victorian society, personally I consider Irene rather despicable for marrying for money a man she does not love. She then expends little effort to make the marriage work, indulges in self pity over her lack of freedom, and embarks upon an affair with her friend June's fiancé. Men seem to find her irresistible but this woman is no heroine, even a flawed one. However, I do sympathize with her regarding the rape.
Thus I had little interest in the romance between her and the now widowed Young Jolyon, at least on Irene's part. Jolyon is June's father, having left her mother for the governess, Helene, with whom he had two children, Holly & Jolly. While Jolyon is likable, he seems more sympathetic in the subsequent series than here, having earlier abandoned his daughter June for a life and family with Helene. Despite disapproval, Holly chooses marriage with her cousin Val, while her brother, Jolly, is killed during the war.
Despite his obsessive behaviour, my main sympathy actually lay with Soames, although he is cast as the twisted villain of the piece. While Soames is certainly a very flawed character and I do not justify rape, Irene has treated her husband unfairly from the outset. Of course Soames realizes when he marries Irene that she doesn't love him, and he should certainly have granted her a divorce when asked, setting her free. However, Soames's possessiveness is simply to elicit the unrequited love and loyalty she should have offered him from their wedding day. Instead he feels compelled, however unjustly, overbearingly, and futilely, to extract it from her by force. Soames appears cold and calculating, but actually simply craves love. Furthermore, June unjustly blames him for all her strife regarding Phillip. I agree with another's comment that it is indeed a powerful scene when Soames holds his baby daughter for the first time.
Damian Lewis gives a masterful portrayal of the arrogant, controlling, and abusive but actually quite complex Soames. Gina McGee plays the elegant, reserved, aloof Irene and Rupert Graves the handsome Young Jolyon. I also love the character of Old Jolyon, portrayed by Colin Redgrave, and like his scene with Irene at the opera. Later he invites her to give piano lessons to Holly, whose father is abroad. I found the old gentleman's death the most moving scene in the entire series, as he has just recognized his own newfound love for the much younger Irene.
This seems a superbly crafted saga and for those fond of the genre, it makes compelling viewing. It has prompted my own resolution to read Galsworthy's novel for myself. The story continues on with The Forsyte Saga: To Let, which revolves around Soames's daughter, Fleur, and Irene's son, Jon.
The series chronicles the family saga of the wealthy, aristocratic Soames Forsyte who marries an impoverished girl named Irene Herron. She does not love her husband, having married him for money on her stepmother's advice. Although he showers her with finery and jewels, Soames treats her as a possession. He builds Irene a beautiful country mansion, Robin Hill, which she views as a prison, seeking instead freedom. During construction of the house, Irene engages in an affair with architect Phillip Bosinney, fiancé of Soames's cousin June, and the pair plan to run off together. Soames discovers his wife's infidelity and a scandal ensues. One night Soames takes advantage of his wife and Phillip dies during the unfolding confrontation that results.
Nevertheless, Irene leaves her unhappy marriage with Soames to make a new, if not prosperous, life for herself as a music teacher. She disappears for a time but a few years later his Uncle Jolyon (also known as Old Jolyon) notices Irene at the opera, resumes acquaintance, and gradually befriends her, leaving her a substantial sum of money when he dies. Soames remains obsessed with his wife, has Irene followed even to Paris where she has moved in an effort to escape him, and endeavours to win her back, partly because he seeks an heir to the family name. However, when he fails to persuade Irene, he eventually marries a French girl, Annette (daughter of a restaurant proprietress), who gives birth to a daughter. Meanwhile, Irene has turned to Young Jolyon (Old Jolyon's son) for protection from her estranged, obsessive husband. These two fall in love, eventually marry, and have a son.
Of course it's all something of a classy Victorian soap opera, this tale of a scandal ridden upper crust English family. More scandalous than Pride and Prejudice, less engrossing than the long running masterpiece, Upstairs Downstairs, this is a genre I invariably love. This mini series features the predictable luxuriously furnished manors, exquisite period costumes, and lovely scenery of the English countryside. The series has complexity since all the main characters are obviously flawed individuals, with no clear cut heroes or villains. Any one character will elicit different viewer responses.
While I am aware that this was not an uncommon practice in Victorian society, personally I consider Irene rather despicable for marrying for money a man she does not love. She then expends little effort to make the marriage work, indulges in self pity over her lack of freedom, and embarks upon an affair with her friend June's fiancé. Men seem to find her irresistible but this woman is no heroine, even a flawed one. However, I do sympathize with her regarding the rape.
Thus I had little interest in the romance between her and the now widowed Young Jolyon, at least on Irene's part. Jolyon is June's father, having left her mother for the governess, Helene, with whom he had two children, Holly & Jolly. While Jolyon is likable, he seems more sympathetic in the subsequent series than here, having earlier abandoned his daughter June for a life and family with Helene. Despite disapproval, Holly chooses marriage with her cousin Val, while her brother, Jolly, is killed during the war.
Despite his obsessive behaviour, my main sympathy actually lay with Soames, although he is cast as the twisted villain of the piece. While Soames is certainly a very flawed character and I do not justify rape, Irene has treated her husband unfairly from the outset. Of course Soames realizes when he marries Irene that she doesn't love him, and he should certainly have granted her a divorce when asked, setting her free. However, Soames's possessiveness is simply to elicit the unrequited love and loyalty she should have offered him from their wedding day. Instead he feels compelled, however unjustly, overbearingly, and futilely, to extract it from her by force. Soames appears cold and calculating, but actually simply craves love. Furthermore, June unjustly blames him for all her strife regarding Phillip. I agree with another's comment that it is indeed a powerful scene when Soames holds his baby daughter for the first time.
Damian Lewis gives a masterful portrayal of the arrogant, controlling, and abusive but actually quite complex Soames. Gina McGee plays the elegant, reserved, aloof Irene and Rupert Graves the handsome Young Jolyon. I also love the character of Old Jolyon, portrayed by Colin Redgrave, and like his scene with Irene at the opera. Later he invites her to give piano lessons to Holly, whose father is abroad. I found the old gentleman's death the most moving scene in the entire series, as he has just recognized his own newfound love for the much younger Irene.
This seems a superbly crafted saga and for those fond of the genre, it makes compelling viewing. It has prompted my own resolution to read Galsworthy's novel for myself. The story continues on with The Forsyte Saga: To Let, which revolves around Soames's daughter, Fleur, and Irene's son, Jon.
Selfish people doing selfish things...and Soames is the bad guy!?
gsceldridge5 December 2012
Warning: Spoilers
The reason I am giving this is 8/10 is basically for Damian Lewis, who is incredible in his role as Soames.
From the offset, we see Young Joylon selfishly abandon his wife and daughter in favour of the governess, who he loves. He is painted some kind of victim as his family turn against him for his selfish actions, and we are supposed to feel sorry for him.
Then we have Soames, who meets and ADORES Irene (the incredibly mis-cast Gina Mckee who is too old, not attractive enough and too cold), who marries him essentially for his money and then makes NO EFFORT WHATSOEVER within their marriage. THEN, she starts a very blatant affair with her BEST FRIEND's fiancé. She is extremely selfish and unpleasant,but Soames again is the villain because he gets drunk one night and forces himself on her in desperation.
The rest of the series is basically "poor Irene and evil Soames and poor Young Joylon...and let's make Irene and young Joylon happy but leave Soames unhappy." Other than that major problem, there are some excellent characters.
From the offset, we see Young Joylon selfishly abandon his wife and daughter in favour of the governess, who he loves. He is painted some kind of victim as his family turn against him for his selfish actions, and we are supposed to feel sorry for him.
Then we have Soames, who meets and ADORES Irene (the incredibly mis-cast Gina Mckee who is too old, not attractive enough and too cold), who marries him essentially for his money and then makes NO EFFORT WHATSOEVER within their marriage. THEN, she starts a very blatant affair with her BEST FRIEND's fiancé. She is extremely selfish and unpleasant,but Soames again is the villain because he gets drunk one night and forces himself on her in desperation.
The rest of the series is basically "poor Irene and evil Soames and poor Young Joylon...and let's make Irene and young Joylon happy but leave Soames unhappy." Other than that major problem, there are some excellent characters.
Truly a classic
chaz_burgess23 August 2005
Golsworthy himself would be proud if he saw this reproduction of his work. The Forsyte Saga admittedly has a lot to live up to considering the popularity of its predessessor, the 60's series. The cast is truly outstanding to say the least, with Rupert Graves and Gina McKee truly engaging the audience with the plight of their characters and Ioan Gruffudd convincingly portraying a work-a-holic architect whos visions captivate his employers. What will shock most of all is how quickly you learn to care for the characters. I found myself worrying for Irene at every negative turn, but still I pitied the twisted Soames Forsyte despite his evil coldness. The soundtrack will stick with you, be warned. You will love this if you enjoyed Pride and Prejudice, Sense and Sensibility, Tom Jones or Moll Flanders. You wont like this if you cant stand waiting for the next installment, as it does come in long episodes and two series.
Read the book
Duffer-78 October 2002
The screenwriter has once again decided to rewrite the story. Read the book (actually books) to find out all the differences. For example, in the book the governess leaves on her own & refuses any extra pay, Young Jolyon is seen visiting her flat & the gossip starts - that's when Jolyon's wife and father first learn anything is going on. The changes go on and on. If you have ever seen the 1967 version, it would be hard to beat Eric Porter as Soames.
Wonderful
=G=17 December 2004
"The Forsyte Saga" traces several generations of the monied upper-middle class English Forsyte family from the mid-Victorian period into the 20th century. The 6 hour miniseries immerses itself in all of the usual family affairs from feuds to alliances to romances to marriages to births and deaths, etc. all wrapped in the Victorian social ethos. The backbone of the saga is the bifurcation of lineage from two patriarch brothers Forsyte in general and the enduring obsession of one, Soames Forsyte (Lewis), an intense and inscrutable solicitor, for a beautiful woman in particular. A sort of elegant Victorian soap opera, "The Forsyte Saga" captures the period well and fleshes out interesting and wholly believable characters with depth, color, and passion. Well worth a look by anyone into films about families or Victorian familial dramas such as "The Governess" or "Sense and Sensibility". (A)
Worth watching. Daniel Lewis made it so.
so_she_says3 February 2010
I just finished watching the Series One of the Forsyte saga and I must say I liked it. It has a good picture, realistic and exquisite backgrounds, costumes, everything. I don;t know if so it was intended but i HATED IRENE who in my opinion is nowhere near beautiful and somehow this way in which she is presented is quite strange, being shown as an outstanding beauty when in fact she isn't, also the way characters gravitate around her is not convincing at all. Soames on the other hand is very well played, he is very real I would say, the realest of them all. I recommend this movie if you like the epoque feeling and romantic stories.
Only for fans of the first series...
voltage111 May 2005
I was sadly, sadly disappointed by this series. I wasn't a fan of the original series myself, but I did recognize the good elements in it and appreciated what I could...but I fear there are even fewer things to play off of here. I realize that many people love and adore both series, but here's another perspective (which is bound to happen when so many different people are viewing it). Overall, I was greatly annoyed by the main characters. They were childish and obnoxious...if they weren't crying they were throwing a fit...and that just grates on the nerves after a few hours. I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Damien Lewis again...he nailed the role at being vile. He's one character you love to hate. I was so disappointed, however, at the turn Jolyon's character took. He was one of two reasons that I even made it through the entire first series, so you can imagine my difficulty at his new attitude (which is understandable with two obnoxious main characters running around wreaking havoc). ;) I was really pleased with the outcome of the movie, however, and couldn't have thought of a better way to end the madness myself! :P So, there is one opinion that's opposite of what others have to say. I will say that if you enjoyed the first one, you will probably enjoy this one. Give it a shot, and if at all possible...it's always more enjoyable to like something. I wish I could have the opinions of the others here, but there you have it! :)
A Pale Imitation of the Original Classic Version
hjmsia4910 December 2007
Warning: Spoilers
I couldn't agree more with previous reviewers overseer 3 and housemouse. It is obvious that almost all the reviewers who raved about this production never saw the original 1967 classic. I urge them to watch the original (available at most libraries) and compare. Almost every member of the cast gave a far superior and convincing performance in the original. While Damien Lewis was excellent in "Band of Brothers," his rendition of Soames was awful when compared to the brilliant Soames of Eric Porter in the original version. Lewis' slicked down red hair was very distracting, did you notice any other Forsyte with red hair? He had a constant smirk on his face that was very annoying. Gina McKee as Irene projected none of the beauty, radiance and talent of Nyree Dawn Porter who was unforgettable and created an Irene that will never be bettered. While Rupert Graves was the best of the current cast, I still felt Kenneth More was more believable. The actors who portrayed old Jolyon, Winefred, Helene, Frances, Holly and June were also more convincing in the original 1967 version. Finally, the costumes worn by the ladies in the original, over 3,000, were stunning and truly representative of all the decades covered by the saga. I was surprised how abbreviated the second season of this series was compared to the original. It ended with the marriage of Fleur and Michael Mott. The original series dealt with their marriage at some length and also the marriage of Jon to an American girl. What I found unbelievable was Damien Lewis' pathetic smirks, tears and sulking depression when Irene left him. I don't think Eric Porter shed a single tear or showed any weakness in his lengthy portrayal of a more resolute Soames in the original. While Gillian Kearney gave a good performance of June, her excessive affection for Irene at the end, considering their history really strains credulity. I also found the costumes worn by Irene to be very unflatering and drab compared to those worn by Nyree Dawn Porter in the original. I would be remiss if I did not mention the aspects of this sequel that I thought were superior to the original. The color and music, sorely missed in the original, was a big plus. I also preferred Ioan Grufford's portrayal of Philip Bossiney and especially Beatrix Batarda's performance as Soame's second wife Annette. She was present for Fleur's wedding unlike Annette in the original version. Finally, I would urge all those who enjoyed this version to obtain a copy of the original 1967 version, now on DVD, at any library. It is far longer and more detailed and ends with the death of Soames. Sadly, Nyree Dawn Porter, the luminescent Irene of the original, was scheduled to play one of the elder three Forsyte sisters in this sequel but she suddenly died before filming began.
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