[1995 interview] You look to people who have been called artists constantly probing that area, honestly saying: "Look at this! This is real. This is real. This is my version, anyway, of what is real, as real as I can show it in my terms of reality" and that is traditionally art. So, maybe, traditionally art is amoral. There's a large segment of the art philosophy, fake or not, that presumes to say that art has to be amoral and has to be, maybe, intrinsically evil, you know.